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Lawyers have a tricky thing called a license to practice law. Software developers have no such protection.

lttlrck 2y ago
Defending yourself might become a whole lot easier.
kylecazar 2y ago
Robots are already successfully performing surgeries unassisted, despite a license being required in that field. I do think barred lawyers will have a role for quite a while, but it is plausible it shrinks to oversight.
- gugagore 2y ago
  What robot is performing what surgery unassisted?
  - filoleg 2y ago
    Yeah, plus one on this one, extremely curious to hear as well. I am aware that remote robot surgeries have been a thing for quite a bit of time, but this is the first time ever I am hearing about unassisted robot surgeries being a thing at all. A follow-up question: if an unassisted robot surgery goes wrong, who is liable? I know we have a similar dilemma with self-driving cars, but I was under the impression that things are way more regulated and strict in the realm of healthcare.
bumby 2y ago
>Software developers have no such protection. I wonder if this is at all related to NCEES re-releasing their controls licensure option?
forgotoldacc 2y ago
Programmers have been against unions/licenses in software development because we saw it as slowing down our ability to job hop, potentially massively lowering wages, and making a large barrier to entry (which hurts a lot of us who started as kids/teens). Now there's a chance that this unregulated wild west with a low barrier to entry that's benefited us for so long will come back to bite us in the ass. Kind of spooky to think about.
- kristopolous 2y ago
  I don't know if that's true. If I was in a WGA/DGA equivalent in my field that offered health care and scale pay that would be great! I bet if you asked most programmers whether they'd like to have a professional guild similar to the writers who just went on strike, you'd probably be surprised, especially for gaming devs.
- jdiez17 2y ago
  I would be in favor of some kind of state approved exam/certification to ensure programmers have at least some basic knowledge of computer security and engineering ethics. > making a large barrier to entry (which hurts a lot of us who started as kids/teens) I doubt it. In my experience autodidacts are the best programmers I know.
  - hakanderyal 2y ago
    The problem is they would most certainly require a CS degree to apply (if it's left to the bureaucrats), which would be the barrier.

Defending yourself might become a whole lot easier.

Robots are already successfully performing surgeries unassisted, despite a license being required in that field. I do think barred lawyers will have a role for quite a while, but it is plausible it shrinks to oversight.

gugagore 2y ago
What robot is performing what surgery unassisted?
- filoleg 2y ago
  Yeah, plus one on this one, extremely curious to hear as well. I am aware that remote robot surgeries have been a thing for quite a bit of time, but this is the first time ever I am hearing about unassisted robot surgeries being a thing at all. A follow-up question: if an unassisted robot surgery goes wrong, who is liable? I know we have a similar dilemma with self-driving cars, but I was under the impression that things are way more regulated and strict in the realm of healthcare.

bumby 2y ago

>Software developers have no such protection. I wonder if this is at all related to NCEES re-releasing their controls licensure option?

forgotoldacc 2y ago

Programmers have been against unions/licenses in software development because we saw it as slowing down our ability to job hop, potentially massively lowering wages, and making a large barrier to entry (which hurts a lot of us who started as kids/teens). Now there's a chance that this unregulated wild west with a low barrier to entry that's benefited us for so long will come back to bite us in the ass. Kind of spooky to think about.

kristopolous 2y ago
I don't know if that's true. If I was in a WGA/DGA equivalent in my field that offered health care and scale pay that would be great! I bet if you asked most programmers whether they'd like to have a professional guild similar to the writers who just went on strike, you'd probably be surprised, especially for gaming devs.
jdiez17 2y ago
I would be in favor of some kind of state approved exam/certification to ensure programmers have at least some basic knowledge of computer security and engineering ethics. > making a large barrier to entry (which hurts a lot of us who started as kids/teens) I doubt it. In my experience autodidacts are the best programmers I know.
- hakanderyal 2y ago
  The problem is they would most certainly require a CS degree to apply (if it's left to the bureaucrats), which would be the barrier.