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> He likes to help people if he can come out as a hero, otherwise you’re a "pedo" I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. I actually think this

> He likes to help people if he can come out as a hero, otherwise you’re a "pedo" I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. I actually think this rejection is an inflection point in his behavior. He ought to have been more gracious and received the rejection without hurt to his ego (and reacting as he did). I think since then he’s wrongly viewed that event as ‘No good deed goes unpunished’ and become more and more defiant in his attitude. > what would make you reconsider seeing him as a genuinely helpful person? I don’t believe that people are immutably good or evil. Certainly I would regard him returning to a more ‘can-do’ and less combative role in society to be very ‘helpful’. He has a history of effectively marshaling resources towards difficult problems, he has a lot of capital at his disposal, and if he could return to doing that in a more egalitarian fashion he could literally change the world for the better. But first he’d have to put his ego in the back seat

mlindner 2y ago
> I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. I actually think this rejection is an inflection point in his behavior. He ought to have been more gracious and received the rejection without hurt to his ego (and reacting as he did). I think since then he’s wrongly viewed that event as ‘No good deed goes unpunished’ and become more and more defiant in his attitude. Regarding this I think it's also worth a detailed study of that event. Unsworth (the guy doing the insult/who got insulted) wasn't even a diver. https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/the-real-thai-cave-rescue-pt-1-elon https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/the-real-thai-cave-r...
jrflowers 2y ago
> I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. > Hopefully he’s grown since then Elon Musk has been in the news pretty regularly between the Thai cave rescue and now. I am not sure how someone could have an opinion on the man that has somehow been suspended in time since 2018, but if you’re unaware of what he’s been up to since then here are some updates regarding his personal growth. https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-child-sexual-abuse/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-... https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreaders-elon-musk-is-personally-boosting-conspiracy-theorists-on-x/ https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreade... https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-bomb-election-misinformation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-b...
- h0l0cube 2y ago
  I’m not unaware of his behavior since, but people are complicated, so is ‘growth’, and I try to resist the urge to see only one side of the equation.
  - jrflowers 2y ago
    This makes sense. “Growth” can be skewed if you only look at a person’s words and actions. The side of the equation that we imagine in our minds has be weighed equally lest we take a combination of a person’s own words about their values and thoroughly documented and uncontested accounts from others as being somehow reflective of a person’s character.
    - h0l0cube 2y ago
      > “Growth” can be skewed if you only look at a person’s words and actions I guess my point is that his words and actions haven't been one sided. e.g., He assists Ukraine, but he also supports Trump who has implied he will withdraw US support and force a 'peace', which likely will be at the expense of Ukrainian territory and embolden Russia to make future incursions in neighboring countries. He kickstarted the battery and electric mobility revolution, but he isn't really that concerned about the environment or conservation. I'm sure there's plenty more contradictions, but I'm not inclined to take this discussion further. I'm not sure what to make of all of this, and I don't think there's anyone who credibly has enough insight into his mind to say. But certainly, the links you provided describe his words and actions, I don't dispute that, however cherry picked they may be.
      - jrflowers 2y ago
        Exactly. If we simply imagine that a person’s actions contain contradictions then we can properly imbue them with a complex unknowability that elevates them from human to mythological enigma. Where a simple mind might look at Musk and Russia and conclude “he supports Russia” based off his words and actions or similarly conclude that he has no interest in the environment or conservation based on the same process of observation, a wiser person makes the extra effort to reject coherence in order to become retroactively confused.

mlindner 2y ago

> I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. I actually think this rejection is an inflection point in his behavior. He ought to have been more gracious and received the rejection without hurt to his ego (and reacting as he did). I think since then he’s wrongly viewed that event as ‘No good deed goes unpunished’ and become more and more defiant in his attitude. Regarding this I think it's also worth a detailed study of that event. Unsworth (the guy doing the insult/who got insulted) wasn't even a diver. https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/the-real-thai-cave-rescue-pt-1-elon https://savingjournalism.substack.com/p/the-real-thai-cave-r...

jrflowers 2y ago

> I made reference to exactly this if you read carefully. > Hopefully he’s grown since then Elon Musk has been in the news pretty regularly between the Thai cave rescue and now. I am not sure how someone could have an opinion on the man that has somehow been suspended in time since 2018, but if you’re unaware of what he’s been up to since then here are some updates regarding his personal growth. https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-child-sexual-abuse/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/twitter-elon-musk-dom-lucre-... https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreaders-elon-musk-is-personally-boosting-conspiracy-theorists-on-x/ https://www.salon.com/2024/09/27/misinformation-superspreade... https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-great-replacement-conspiracy-theory-1234941337/ https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/elon-musk-... https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-bomb-election-misinformation/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/09/18/media/elon-musk-trump-rally-b...

h0l0cube 2y ago
I’m not unaware of his behavior since, but people are complicated, so is ‘growth’, and I try to resist the urge to see only one side of the equation.
- jrflowers 2y ago
  This makes sense. “Growth” can be skewed if you only look at a person’s words and actions. The side of the equation that we imagine in our minds has be weighed equally lest we take a combination of a person’s own words about their values and thoroughly documented and uncontested accounts from others as being somehow reflective of a person’s character.
  - h0l0cube 2y ago
    > “Growth” can be skewed if you only look at a person’s words and actions I guess my point is that his words and actions haven't been one sided. e.g., He assists Ukraine, but he also supports Trump who has implied he will withdraw US support and force a 'peace', which likely will be at the expense of Ukrainian territory and embolden Russia to make future incursions in neighboring countries. He kickstarted the battery and electric mobility revolution, but he isn't really that concerned about the environment or conservation. I'm sure there's plenty more contradictions, but I'm not inclined to take this discussion further. I'm not sure what to make of all of this, and I don't think there's anyone who credibly has enough insight into his mind to say. But certainly, the links you provided describe his words and actions, I don't dispute that, however cherry picked they may be.
    - jrflowers 2y ago
      Exactly. If we simply imagine that a person’s actions contain contradictions then we can properly imbue them with a complex unknowability that elevates them from human to mythological enigma. Where a simple mind might look at Musk and Russia and conclude “he supports Russia” based off his words and actions or similarly conclude that he has no interest in the environment or conservation based on the same process of observation, a wiser person makes the extra effort to reject coherence in order to become retroactively confused.