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The problem is that tacking on to an existing product, while the ideal approach, limits just how creative you can get. I believe this is one of the reasons Curs

The problem is that tacking on to an existing product, while the ideal approach, limits just how creative you can get. I believe this is one of the reasons Cursor had to fork VSCode. Simply being an extension limited the features they could build.

joshstrange 2y ago
I completely get this and I don’t have a good answer to the issue. I almost wish I liked VSCode since almost all AI editors are forks of that (not sure what the extension compatibility story is), but prefer IDEA.
- noch 2y ago
  > but prefer IDEA. IDEA has "AI Assistant"[^0]. Is it not usable for you (I might have missed your comment mentioning it)? [^0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html
- NitpickLawyer 2y ago
  > (not sure what the extension compatibility story is) So far I've had all the vscode extensions just work in cursor (including devcontainers, docker, etc.) I hope it continues like this, as breaking extensions is something that would take away from the usefulness of cursor.
- yas_hmaheshwari 2y ago
  I am also using intelliJ, but have started tinkering with Cursor My hunch says that IDEA should be worried a lot. If I am on the edge evaluating other tools because of AI assisted programming, lot of others would be doing that too
ford 2y ago
The other problem is IDEs are incentivized to build their own AI coding tools instead of letting other people plug in
- 8n4vidtmkvmk 2y ago
  IDEA allows you to customize the UI quite a bit, has plugin hooks specifically for AI tools, and has several 3rd party plugins already. None of these points seem to apply.. They're still selling their yearly subscription even if they can't upsell me on an AI subscription
curiouscavalier 2y ago
Solid point. We’re building in a space adjacent to this and it definitely feels hard to balance removing friction for adoption and delivering everything we want.
- zmgsabst 2y ago
  Okay, but why does what you want matter? I find a lot of teams are so focused on their vision that they fail to integrate their tool into my workflow. So I don’t use them at all. That’s fine for art, but I don’t need opinionated tools.
  - curiouscavalier 2y ago
    Who said what we want has anything to do with our vision. Please don’t make assumptions about what drives our product development. What I want in a product comes from customer interviews. It’s not “my opinion” other than perhaps our team’s interpretation of customer requests. A customer can want certain pain points addressed and have friction to move to a particular solution at the same time. Or does wanting a product that meets customer needs too opinionated?
zbobet2012 2y ago
Emacs has none of these problems :p
- mark_l_watson 2y ago
  True. I have been very happy using ellama.

joshstrange 2y ago

I completely get this and I don’t have a good answer to the issue. I almost wish I liked VSCode since almost all AI editors are forks of that (not sure what the extension compatibility story is), but prefer IDEA.

noch 2y ago
> but prefer IDEA. IDEA has "AI Assistant"[^0]. Is it not usable for you (I might have missed your comment mentioning it)? [^0]: https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html https://www.jetbrains.com/help/idea/ai-assistant.html
NitpickLawyer 2y ago
> (not sure what the extension compatibility story is) So far I've had all the vscode extensions just work in cursor (including devcontainers, docker, etc.) I hope it continues like this, as breaking extensions is something that would take away from the usefulness of cursor.
yas_hmaheshwari 2y ago
I am also using intelliJ, but have started tinkering with Cursor My hunch says that IDEA should be worried a lot. If I am on the edge evaluating other tools because of AI assisted programming, lot of others would be doing that too

ford 2y ago

The other problem is IDEs are incentivized to build their own AI coding tools instead of letting other people plug in

8n4vidtmkvmk 2y ago
IDEA allows you to customize the UI quite a bit, has plugin hooks specifically for AI tools, and has several 3rd party plugins already. None of these points seem to apply.. They're still selling their yearly subscription even if they can't upsell me on an AI subscription

curiouscavalier 2y ago

Solid point. We’re building in a space adjacent to this and it definitely feels hard to balance removing friction for adoption and delivering everything we want.

zmgsabst 2y ago
Okay, but why does what you want matter? I find a lot of teams are so focused on their vision that they fail to integrate their tool into my workflow. So I don’t use them at all. That’s fine for art, but I don’t need opinionated tools.
- curiouscavalier 2y ago
  Who said what we want has anything to do with our vision. Please don’t make assumptions about what drives our product development. What I want in a product comes from customer interviews. It’s not “my opinion” other than perhaps our team’s interpretation of customer requests. A customer can want certain pain points addressed and have friction to move to a particular solution at the same time. Or does wanting a product that meets customer needs too opinionated?

zbobet2012 2y ago

Emacs has none of these problems :p

mark_l_watson 2y ago
True. I have been very happy using ellama.