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I think the people in Tennessee, North Carolina, Maui, East Palestine, and every other botched emergency the last 5+ years would have been pretty happy to quibb
by astroid 2y ago
I think the people in Tennessee, North Carolina, Maui, East Palestine, and every other botched emergency the last 5+ years would have been pretty happy to quibble about a 'paltry' 640 Million.
Also it's not as if this is the -only- money spent on these endeavors. This is one agency in one year, doing something which was unprecedented until they could manage it via Covid 'emergency' measures.
You can stick your fingers in your ears if you want, but people are going to be pissed and have every right to be -- just like you have the right to handwave it away if you so choose.
I just said ICE off the cuff, but it could just as easily have been Border Patrol or some other agency. At the end of the day, I doubt if you asked many people "Do you want your countries emergency management fund setup so they blow their budget flying in people from other countries and putting them in hotels that you can no longer utilize, more cash benefits than disaster victims that grew up paying taxes here - or would you prefer that money be spent on national emergencies?"
I think you would have a hard time finding people who say "oh please, spend that on hotels and shelters and migrant flights! Their wants come before my family and friends needs."
And before you give me some spiel about how that's a 'false dichotomy', I'll remind you that FEMA is currently saying they can't afford another storm and are being raked through the coals in how badly they are handling the current one. So it is not a hypothetical situation - they literally said that American citizens are going to have to donate their personal already-been-taxed money to make it through this.
That's 640 million that could have not been taken on TOP of the taxes from Americans, because of course people are going to pony up to save their communities.
On top of taking at least 1/4-1/3 of every paycheck, they are TELLING us that we have to fund our own rescue.
Honest question - what number IS worth quibbling about in your mind? What dollar value legitimizes scrutinizing government spending?
I didn't know there was a threshold we had to meet for the concerns to be valid. By that logic if an agencies budget grows large enough, there is simply no valid criticism that can be leveled, and the budget must always go up just like the stocks!
I haven't even heard of a single account of someone successfully getting the $750 'immediate need' funded, but I have seen dozens of videos of people crying or angry that they got denied immediately without any reason. Admittedly that's selection bias, but I actively looked for people who did.
I also have yet to see a single person who things this is being handled well... and I see a lot of active duty service/reserve members very angry they can't help their friends and family while they are standby to go die for another middle east war we have no business in.
Things I learned from this thread:
1) Elon Musk bad, despite using what resources he has to help -- any help is an automatic bait and switch to monopolize the internet (lol)
2) Government spending criticism irrelevant, you have to meet a hazy threshold for the concern to be worth 'quibbling about'
3) HN Users are largely in a very bubbled social circle (online and off), and are going to be shocked when reality penetrates that bubble.
- vel0city 2y agoThanks for proving my point. Even $1 would have been too much spending for any of your points. You'll probably also complain the government isn't helping communities affected by immigration crisises while also complaining about the help being disbursed.
- astroid 2y agoSo there isn't a magic number? Any criticism of spending at all is the same as criticizing a single dollar? Got it. So we mustn't criticize policies and spending vel0city agrees with. I'll add that to the rulebook to make sure no one else wonders aloud if perhaps that money could be of use right now (or used better in general).
- vel0city 2y agoWhat number would you have been good with? $5? That $20 could have been useful. Imagine how much more money the average taxpayer would have if the government didn't spend that 0.001% of it's budget. You'd be complaining about any amount. Or do you think they wouldn't have complained if it was only $600M? Just be honest and state what you really feel: the government shouldn't spend any money assisting communities with migrants other than to get them out.
- astroid 2y agoHard to say, given I just found out about this situation. I think it's higher than $20 for sure, but probably less than half than a billion. I think a more in depth analysis of the circumstances that led to the need to spend that money in the first place would be in order. Can you tell me why I am supposed to answer your questions, but you have successfully dodged all of mine while levying personal attacks however? Seems .... a tad imbalanced, dont you think? Go ahead vel0city, tell us what number you think the threshold is for questioning governments spending of the money they took directly out of our paychecks? You have to have one in mind at this point. How could you not? How else could you backup your claim? EDIT: Actually I should ask - are you an American citizen? Do you have a dog in this fight? Is this money even coming out of your check? If not, it would explain why you think these budgets are beyond reproach, given that it would mean it's not your friends, family, or neighbors being effectively sacrificed, nor is it your money being spent in that case.