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They say there were no rapes on Oct 7 and other things are also made up: https://updates.techforpalestine.org/oct7factcheck-sunday-edition/ https://updates.tech

They say there were no rapes on Oct 7 and other things are also made up: https://updates.techforpalestine.org/oct7factcheck-sunday-edition/ https://updates.techforpalestine.org/oct7factcheck-sunday-ed...

breakyerself 2y ago
They accurately outline the fact that claim of the NYT is not properly supported by facts. There was almost certainly sexual violence on Oct 7. It hasn't been established in an evidence based way that there was organized premeditated weaponization of sexual violence as a tool of war as is claimed in the article.
- spookie 2y ago
  I know people irl whom I trust that family members of theirs had been raped. You can just not trust my word, I'm just someone online.
  - kazinator 2y ago
    Was it premeditated weaponization of sexual violence as a tool of war? The comment you replying to is not denying that it happened. What if the weaponization accusation is just an embellishment added to suit a political narrative? Establishing its truth does require evidence, separately from the evidence of the violence itself. That's even if we happened to find the narrative morally prevailing.
    - spookie 2y ago
      Yeah, OP doesn't say they didn't happen. Regardless of their initial intentions, I find it difficult to argue that these acts haven't served as a tool of war. One must also acknowledge these acts were not isolated. I do not have concrete proof, maybe there is some out there, but the fact of the matter is that scale and their psychological effects are undeniable.
    - jazzyjackson 2y ago
      I have no idea what difference it makes if the rape was premeditated. The strategy employed by Hamas was to terrorize. You think Gaza should be invaded less harshly because her soldiers decided to rape in the heat of the moment?
      - kazinator 2y ago
        The difference it makes is that if it is a strategy, it comes down from higher command, and isn't merely individual misconduct.
- xenospn 2y ago
  Yes it has. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the heads of Hamas specifically for using sexual violence as a weapon.
  - j_maffe 2y ago
    If you're going to cite the ICC arrest warrant for Hamas then you have to acknowledge the one they've issued to Netanyahu for using starvation as a weapon.
    - xenospn 2y ago
      Of course. They’re all criminals and they should all be prosecuted.
      - phantompeace 2y ago
        1 side have been subjugated for over 70 years through control over their land, air and sea - the other is a nation backed by the most powerful nations in the world, filled with a lot of foreigners that lay claim to that place due to something that happened 2,000 years ago. Guess which side was deemed the baddies because they lashed out?
        jazzyjackson 2y ago
        No sympathy for why the foreigners showed up huh.
        j_maffe 2y ago
        Go read how they showed up.
  - hmcq6 2y ago
    An arrest warrant does not prove anything, it especially doesn't prove sexual violence was used as a weapon on Oct 7th specifically. Arrest > Trial > Jail. You can arrest someone on suspicion of a crime and then you go to trial which is ostensibly the fact finding segment of things.

breakyerself 2y ago

They accurately outline the fact that claim of the NYT is not properly supported by facts. There was almost certainly sexual violence on Oct 7. It hasn't been established in an evidence based way that there was organized premeditated weaponization of sexual violence as a tool of war as is claimed in the article.

spookie 2y ago
I know people irl whom I trust that family members of theirs had been raped. You can just not trust my word, I'm just someone online.
- kazinator 2y ago
  Was it premeditated weaponization of sexual violence as a tool of war? The comment you replying to is not denying that it happened. What if the weaponization accusation is just an embellishment added to suit a political narrative? Establishing its truth does require evidence, separately from the evidence of the violence itself. That's even if we happened to find the narrative morally prevailing.
  - spookie 2y ago
    Yeah, OP doesn't say they didn't happen. Regardless of their initial intentions, I find it difficult to argue that these acts haven't served as a tool of war. One must also acknowledge these acts were not isolated. I do not have concrete proof, maybe there is some out there, but the fact of the matter is that scale and their psychological effects are undeniable.
  - jazzyjackson 2y ago
    I have no idea what difference it makes if the rape was premeditated. The strategy employed by Hamas was to terrorize. You think Gaza should be invaded less harshly because her soldiers decided to rape in the heat of the moment?
    - kazinator 2y ago
      The difference it makes is that if it is a strategy, it comes down from higher command, and isn't merely individual misconduct.
xenospn 2y ago
Yes it has. The ICC has issued arrest warrants for the heads of Hamas specifically for using sexual violence as a weapon.
- j_maffe 2y ago
  If you're going to cite the ICC arrest warrant for Hamas then you have to acknowledge the one they've issued to Netanyahu for using starvation as a weapon.
  - xenospn 2y ago
    Of course. They’re all criminals and they should all be prosecuted.
    - phantompeace 2y ago
      1 side have been subjugated for over 70 years through control over their land, air and sea - the other is a nation backed by the most powerful nations in the world, filled with a lot of foreigners that lay claim to that place due to something that happened 2,000 years ago. Guess which side was deemed the baddies because they lashed out?
      - jazzyjackson 2y ago
        No sympathy for why the foreigners showed up huh.
        j_maffe 2y ago
        Go read how they showed up.
- hmcq6 2y ago
  An arrest warrant does not prove anything, it especially doesn't prove sexual violence was used as a weapon on Oct 7th specifically. Arrest > Trial > Jail. You can arrest someone on suspicion of a crime and then you go to trial which is ostensibly the fact finding segment of things.