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Wouldn't it be better if more local people were subscribed to StarLink to begin with? People like you literally cannot be happy about anything. Good grief. I

Wouldn't it be better if more local people were subscribed to StarLink to begin with? People like you literally cannot be happy about anything. Good grief. I mean, Comcast and Xfinity will probably not go down the next time this happens, right? At worse this is nice gesture that will result in a slight market correction and better outcomes for all next time.

svnt 2y ago
It is marketing on the back of a natural disaster. Again, a nice gesture is actual charity, not a “the first month is free” promotional cliche.
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  It's actual charity addressing a particular expressed and asked for need. Someone who had dishes asked for this. It's not a wouldn't this be nice gift. Someone needed this enough to ask for this
  - svnt 2y ago
    Ok, I went and looked and the free 30-day trial was already in place weeks before the natural disaster: https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-internet-review/ https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-internet-review/ They didn’t do anything but offer the same deal they would to anyone else.
    - inemesitaffia 2y ago
      You don't know what you're talking about because you're not familiar with the service. That's a 30 day trial where you pay for the product and service in full and get a full refund if you don't like it. It's nothing like what's being offered right now where people are complaining about activation issues and the service just works. Usually you get an hour free on new devices. Now it's 30 days
      - seadan83 2y ago
        Your response here would have been stronger had you skipped the first paragraph, a shallow dismissal. Calm down. Details on the differences is illuminating, the "you don't know what you are talking about" is unhelpful.
        inemesitaffia 2y ago
        Well right now if you happen to have a receiver and turn it on it will work for 30 days out of the box. Before this is was 1 hour before requiring activation
    - astroid 2y ago
      Oh wow quite the own. You really did something there. Do you mind demonstrating how you can unpackage the device and connect straight to the internet without going through the activation hurdles? If not, this is the most irrelevant piece of information you could possibly use to make your misguided point. First responders on their own volition brought StarLink terminals on site, which REQUIRE ACTIVATION regardless of the 30 days free. This activation effort was getting in the way of rescue efforts, likely due to credit card processors being wary of gift cards. They literally couldn't connect due to this barrier (which has since been removed). They removed the activation wall, and now anyone with a dish in the vicinity can connect. Do you see how that is different than buying a dish, taking it home, activating it in a safe area with an active credit card that the processor approves? And can you fathom a situation where maybe removing that activation wall will do tangible good? How can you possibly not see the difference here? Why don't you go pick up a StarLink kit, take it home and try to connect to the internet without activating it first - then come back when you have an understanding of what you are trying to explain to those who actually have used the things. Or sell your elite hax0r 0day on the dark-web for big money if you succeed. You can even cost "StarLink" or whatever evil company dared offer their gear a restocking fee when you return it out of malice or frustration. It should be a win-win if you want to stand on that point.
      - seadan83 2y ago
        Calm down Astroid please. You make good points, except the vitriol is very noisy. You can make those same points in half the text and without being mean.
        astroid 2y ago
        Maybe stop cyber-stalking me if you don't like what I have to say?
        seadan83 2y ago
        It seems there is just a half dozen of us in the same thread now :) What you're saying has value and interest, but the delivery is violating the discussion guidelines and heading into the vitriol territory. I suspect a mod might have shadow banned a chunk of this thread now, and if not, probably should.
seadan83 2y ago
Appalachia has some of the highest poverty rates in the country. They don't have money for food, let alone a $120/month service that they can get for cheaper via cellular data or conventional ISP At worse this is a non-gesture. For the actual relief effort itself, those travelling to do rescue - starlink has its use cases (as would a satellite and sat phones, but starlink does somewhat shine for first responder use cases)
- inemesitaffia 2y ago
  It might not have meaning for you, but someone on the ground had a real need and asked for it. These people can't get Internet via WiFi or cellular and you know it. This is concern trolling at best
  - seadan83 2y ago
    Asteroid stated earlier: "At worse this is nice gesture " I mostly wanted to correct that to say at worse it is a non gesture. Somewhat helping a couple hundred people out of a million plus, is not quite the "nice" gesture. Particularly a relatively poor population. IDK, a pedantic debate of "nice and meaningful" vs "nice but not significant" is not interesting. Non-gesture I would equate to the latter. It is not like 10k of these devices were rushed in, fully activated, on the second day when it would have counted most. The help here is now coming late. 5 days ago (Monday) and this would have been much more helpful. To boot, just "first month free" Which is my same response when you say someone, yeah that is some people. Not many, does not really move the needle as much as it could. Though, for those where this first month free was helpful - that is great. Except overall, "first month free" is not really a gamechanger for the significant population on the ground. Find specific evidence otherwise if you want to make that claim. I'll be in the area in a week or two, I'll ask about this. > This is concern trolling at best Concern trolling vs savior complex.. The quality of this dialogue is now severely degraded after this insult. My family is in western NC not far outside of Asheville. Town of 100k. For _all_ of them, this "gesture" is meaningless since both factors of cell phone coverage and money are at play. Cell phone coverage (for SMS) came back online last sunday, and they reported to me a lot of people are badly off because the end of month paycheck was not soon enough and those people could not buy supplies in preparation. I do not know where you are located. I have the impression this forum is dominated by people that don't understand how poor rural parts of the country can be. Appalachia is one of the very poor parts of the country. Poverty rates in western NC are typically 15 to 20% [1]. Per capita income in appalachia is roughly $40k [2] (consider the implications for the distribution). About 1.2M people [3] in western NC, with 200k of them unable to even buy food. As far as pre-existing deployments, $300 for a starlink and $120/month is way out of the question. I don't see the numbers working out where a "first month is free", even with the device being donated as all that terribly useful en masse here. Though, in fairness, I do see utility to have a starlink on the back of a pickup truck with a bunch of supplies heading into a small, cut-off, town of 100 and then coordinating further relief effort. At the same time, supplies and evac are more priority. Which is to say, the use case where I think this shines is for emergency workers. Again, first month free is meaningless there. Worst case, yeah - essentially a non-gesture (worst case) [1] https://www.arc.gov/map/poverty-rates-in-appalachia-2013-2017/# https://www.arc.gov/map/poverty-rates-in-appalachia-2013-201... [2] https://www.arc.gov/map/per-capita-income-rates-in-appalachia-2017/ https://www.arc.gov/map/per-capita-income-rates-in-appalachi...

svnt 2y ago

It is marketing on the back of a natural disaster. Again, a nice gesture is actual charity, not a “the first month is free” promotional cliche.

inemesitaffia 2y ago
It's actual charity addressing a particular expressed and asked for need. Someone who had dishes asked for this. It's not a wouldn't this be nice gift. Someone needed this enough to ask for this
- svnt 2y ago
  Ok, I went and looked and the free 30-day trial was already in place weeks before the natural disaster: https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-internet-review/ https://www.cnet.com/home/internet/starlink-internet-review/ They didn’t do anything but offer the same deal they would to anyone else.
  - inemesitaffia 2y ago
    You don't know what you're talking about because you're not familiar with the service. That's a 30 day trial where you pay for the product and service in full and get a full refund if you don't like it. It's nothing like what's being offered right now where people are complaining about activation issues and the service just works. Usually you get an hour free on new devices. Now it's 30 days
    - seadan83 2y ago
      Your response here would have been stronger had you skipped the first paragraph, a shallow dismissal. Calm down. Details on the differences is illuminating, the "you don't know what you are talking about" is unhelpful.
      - inemesitaffia 2y ago
        Well right now if you happen to have a receiver and turn it on it will work for 30 days out of the box. Before this is was 1 hour before requiring activation
  - astroid 2y ago
    Oh wow quite the own. You really did something there. Do you mind demonstrating how you can unpackage the device and connect straight to the internet without going through the activation hurdles? If not, this is the most irrelevant piece of information you could possibly use to make your misguided point. First responders on their own volition brought StarLink terminals on site, which REQUIRE ACTIVATION regardless of the 30 days free. This activation effort was getting in the way of rescue efforts, likely due to credit card processors being wary of gift cards. They literally couldn't connect due to this barrier (which has since been removed). They removed the activation wall, and now anyone with a dish in the vicinity can connect. Do you see how that is different than buying a dish, taking it home, activating it in a safe area with an active credit card that the processor approves? And can you fathom a situation where maybe removing that activation wall will do tangible good? How can you possibly not see the difference here? Why don't you go pick up a StarLink kit, take it home and try to connect to the internet without activating it first - then come back when you have an understanding of what you are trying to explain to those who actually have used the things. Or sell your elite hax0r 0day on the dark-web for big money if you succeed. You can even cost "StarLink" or whatever evil company dared offer their gear a restocking fee when you return it out of malice or frustration. It should be a win-win if you want to stand on that point.
    - seadan83 2y ago
      Calm down Astroid please. You make good points, except the vitriol is very noisy. You can make those same points in half the text and without being mean.
      - astroid 2y ago
        Maybe stop cyber-stalking me if you don't like what I have to say?
        seadan83 2y ago
        It seems there is just a half dozen of us in the same thread now :) What you're saying has value and interest, but the delivery is violating the discussion guidelines and heading into the vitriol territory. I suspect a mod might have shadow banned a chunk of this thread now, and if not, probably should.

seadan83 2y ago

Appalachia has some of the highest poverty rates in the country. They don't have money for food, let alone a $120/month service that they can get for cheaper via cellular data or conventional ISP At worse this is a non-gesture. For the actual relief effort itself, those travelling to do rescue - starlink has its use cases (as would a satellite and sat phones, but starlink does somewhat shine for first responder use cases)

inemesitaffia 2y ago
It might not have meaning for you, but someone on the ground had a real need and asked for it. These people can't get Internet via WiFi or cellular and you know it. This is concern trolling at best
- seadan83 2y ago
  Asteroid stated earlier: "At worse this is nice gesture " I mostly wanted to correct that to say at worse it is a non gesture. Somewhat helping a couple hundred people out of a million plus, is not quite the "nice" gesture. Particularly a relatively poor population. IDK, a pedantic debate of "nice and meaningful" vs "nice but not significant" is not interesting. Non-gesture I would equate to the latter. It is not like 10k of these devices were rushed in, fully activated, on the second day when it would have counted most. The help here is now coming late. 5 days ago (Monday) and this would have been much more helpful. To boot, just "first month free" Which is my same response when you say someone, yeah that is some people. Not many, does not really move the needle as much as it could. Though, for those where this first month free was helpful - that is great. Except overall, "first month free" is not really a gamechanger for the significant population on the ground. Find specific evidence otherwise if you want to make that claim. I'll be in the area in a week or two, I'll ask about this. > This is concern trolling at best Concern trolling vs savior complex.. The quality of this dialogue is now severely degraded after this insult. My family is in western NC not far outside of Asheville. Town of 100k. For _all_ of them, this "gesture" is meaningless since both factors of cell phone coverage and money are at play. Cell phone coverage (for SMS) came back online last sunday, and they reported to me a lot of people are badly off because the end of month paycheck was not soon enough and those people could not buy supplies in preparation. I do not know where you are located. I have the impression this forum is dominated by people that don't understand how poor rural parts of the country can be. Appalachia is one of the very poor parts of the country. Poverty rates in western NC are typically 15 to 20% [1]. Per capita income in appalachia is roughly $40k [2] (consider the implications for the distribution). About 1.2M people [3] in western NC, with 200k of them unable to even buy food. As far as pre-existing deployments, $300 for a starlink and $120/month is way out of the question. I don't see the numbers working out where a "first month is free", even with the device being donated as all that terribly useful en masse here. Though, in fairness, I do see utility to have a starlink on the back of a pickup truck with a bunch of supplies heading into a small, cut-off, town of 100 and then coordinating further relief effort. At the same time, supplies and evac are more priority. Which is to say, the use case where I think this shines is for emergency workers. Again, first month free is meaningless there. Worst case, yeah - essentially a non-gesture (worst case) [1] https://www.arc.gov/map/poverty-rates-in-appalachia-2013-2017/# https://www.arc.gov/map/poverty-rates-in-appalachia-2013-201... [2] https://www.arc.gov/map/per-capita-income-rates-in-appalachia-2017/ https://www.arc.gov/map/per-capita-income-rates-in-appalachi...