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I think a lot of players are also tired of games that are only fun with in-app purchases. I avoid any game now that has in-app purchases because it might be a

I think a lot of players are also tired of games that are only fun with in-app purchases. I avoid any game now that has in-app purchases because it might be a great game where you can buy fancy hats but why would I waste any time trying to find that rare gem amidst all the pay-2-win sewage out there.

behringer 2y ago
"But it's only cosmetics!" Is the cry of the developer. Nope. I nope out of any of that. No DMing, no chats? No thanks. Why play a social game you can't socialize in? Hackers and trolls? There's zero tools for fighting them and you can't host yourself. It's no wonder most gamers prefer single player, there's hardly any fun multi-player games.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  TBF, most mobile games do indeed have chat/dm's. I'm guessing the console games don't do that because it's a logistical nightmare. A sentiment much rarer in Eastern cultures for whatever reason.
reginald78 2y ago
Real life is pay2win so I have no idea why I would want more of that as an escape. The worst part is with constant updates you can buy a game and then have it changed into pay2win later. At least with single player you might be able to keep playing the old version.
- swores 2y ago
  > Real life is pay2win so I have no idea why I would want more of that as an escape. I dislike pay2win, but the logic behind that sentence could be used to rule out lots, maybe even the majority, of games.., Not just things like Eurotruck Simulator or Farming Sim or whatever, but games in general tend to be "more of what yo get in real life, but altered". From sports games to car racing to battles fought with weapons... people do find simulated reality to be a good escape.
  - Ensorceled 2y ago
    > people do find simulated reality to be a good escape Yes, but those simulations are fair and not pay2win, so this isn't more of the same.
asdff 2y ago
I think cosmetics and other in app purchases have a generational divide. I have no clue why people would throw real money on a skin, I just never got that perspective. Meanwhile if you go to some reddit thread on some new game you can see a bunch of gen z users talking about how they feel about the cosmetics, expecting there to be more or better cosmetics, wishing for more cosmetics as paid DLC, as if that is a compelling selling point of the game to have some good cosmetics to look at. It definitely seems like a bit more vain generation compared to the millennials in terms of the clothes and accessories so maybe that checks out with everything else.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  My kid has friends whose families are not all that well-off, but damn do they have a lot of paid Fortnite skins. I don't get it either.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
That's the great part about MTX. you can have the 1% more than make up for the 99% that opt out. And apparently the median spending on MTX is $60 as is. So you see that and see why companies push so hard for that space. maintaining one game is also cheaper than trying to make new AAA games every 2-5 years and MP games provide a steady revenue stream. A subscription without calling it a subscription.

behringer 2y ago

"But it's only cosmetics!" Is the cry of the developer. Nope. I nope out of any of that. No DMing, no chats? No thanks. Why play a social game you can't socialize in? Hackers and trolls? There's zero tools for fighting them and you can't host yourself. It's no wonder most gamers prefer single player, there's hardly any fun multi-player games.

johnnyanmac 2y ago
TBF, most mobile games do indeed have chat/dm's. I'm guessing the console games don't do that because it's a logistical nightmare. A sentiment much rarer in Eastern cultures for whatever reason.

reginald78 2y ago

Real life is pay2win so I have no idea why I would want more of that as an escape. The worst part is with constant updates you can buy a game and then have it changed into pay2win later. At least with single player you might be able to keep playing the old version.

swores 2y ago
> Real life is pay2win so I have no idea why I would want more of that as an escape. I dislike pay2win, but the logic behind that sentence could be used to rule out lots, maybe even the majority, of games.., Not just things like Eurotruck Simulator or Farming Sim or whatever, but games in general tend to be "more of what yo get in real life, but altered". From sports games to car racing to battles fought with weapons... people do find simulated reality to be a good escape.
- Ensorceled 2y ago
  > people do find simulated reality to be a good escape Yes, but those simulations are fair and not pay2win, so this isn't more of the same.

asdff 2y ago

I think cosmetics and other in app purchases have a generational divide. I have no clue why people would throw real money on a skin, I just never got that perspective. Meanwhile if you go to some reddit thread on some new game you can see a bunch of gen z users talking about how they feel about the cosmetics, expecting there to be more or better cosmetics, wishing for more cosmetics as paid DLC, as if that is a compelling selling point of the game to have some good cosmetics to look at. It definitely seems like a bit more vain generation compared to the millennials in terms of the clothes and accessories so maybe that checks out with everything else.

ryandrake 2y ago
My kid has friends whose families are not all that well-off, but damn do they have a lot of paid Fortnite skins. I don't get it either.

johnnyanmac 2y ago

That's the great part about MTX. you can have the 1% more than make up for the 99% that opt out. And apparently the median spending on MTX is $60 as is. So you see that and see why companies push so hard for that space. maintaining one game is also cheaper than trying to make new AAA games every 2-5 years and MP games provide a steady revenue stream. A subscription without calling it a subscription.