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> This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. This is exactly what Goog

by wenc 2y ago

> This also demonstrates the type of things Google could do with Gemini integrated into Google Docs if they step up their game a bit. This is exactly what Google’s NotebookLM does. It’s (currently) free and it reads your Google Docs and does RAG on them. https://notebooklm.google/ https://notebooklm.google/

HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago
The most amazing thing with notebooklm is that is can turn your docs into a very high quality podcast of two people discussing the content of your docs.
- rty32 2y ago
  It is a cool concept, but anyone who listens to enough podcasts know that hosts have personalities and interests, and productions usually have their styles, focus and quality. These features make podcast channels unique and make you want to come back. That's why you may want to listen to podcast A instead of B even though they discuss the same topics. I doubt the Google thing will ever give us that -- likely just one hour of generic rambling that gets boring.
- supafastcoder 2y ago
  It's fun the first time but it quickly gets boring.
- 8338550bff96 2y ago
  Finding signal in noise is not an easy job given clip things are moving along. Whatever content creators need to do to deliver quality distilled content - I'm here for it.
- ben_w 2y ago
  Juggling dog. It's not very good, but it's amazing that it's possible at all. https://github.com/BenWheatley/Timeline-of-the-near-future https://github.com/BenWheatley/Timeline-of-the-near-future I've only used the "Deep Dive" generator a few times, and I'm already sensing the audio equivalent of "youtube face" in the style — not saying that's inherently bad, but this is definitely early days for this kind of tool, so consider Deep Dive as it is today to be a GPT-2 demo of things to come.
  - stavros 2y ago
    Do you have a reference for the "Juggling dog" thing? I've heard it with "singing dog", but I never managed to find any "official" reference or explanation of the thing.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      Unfortunately not. Trying to find where I got my version from just brought me back to one of my own comments on Hacker News from 8 months ago: > "your dog is juggling, filing taxes, and baking a cake, and rather than be impressed it can do any of those things, you're complaining it drops some balls, misses some figures, and the cake recipe leaves a lot to be desired". - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170057 I couldn't remember where I got it from then either.
      - stavros 2y ago
        Oh hm, maybe you came up with it/adapted a previous saying, then. I'm not 100% sure the dog was singing either.
        gwern 2y ago
        He is adapting one of Samuel Johnson's most famous quotations, about the astonishing sight of seeing a woman preaching - like a dog walking, it may not be done well, but it's astonishing to see it done at all.
    - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
      He meant singing dog, likely conflated due to his linguistic interest. "Juggling dog" has only been expressed a single time previously in our corpus of humanity: During the Middle Ages, however, church and state sometimes frowned more sternly on the juggler. "The duties of the king," said the edicts of the Sixth Council of Paris during the Middle Ages, "are to prevent theft, to punish adultery, and to refuse to maintain jongleurs."(4) What did these jugglers do to provoke the ire of churchmen? It is difficult to say with certainty, since the jongleurs were often jacks-of-all-trades. At times they were auxiliary performers who worked with troubadour poets in Europe, especially the south of France and Spain. The troubadours would write poetry, and the jongleurs would perform their verses to music. But troubadours often performed their own poetry, and jongleurs chanted street ballads they had picked up in their wanderings. Consequently, the terms "troubadour" and "jongleur" are often used interchangeably by their contemporaries. These jongleurs might sing amorous songs or pantomime licentious actions. But they might be also jugglers, bear trainers, acrobats, sleight-of-hand artists or outright mountebanks. Historian Joseph Anglade remarks that in the high Middle Ages: "We see the singer and strolling musician, who comes to the cabaret to perform; the mountebank-juggler, with his tricks of sleight-of-hand, who well represents the class of jongleurs for whom his name had become synonymous; and finally the acrobat, often accompanied by female dancers of easy morals, exhibiting to the gaping public the gaggle of animals he has dressed up — birds, monkeys, bears, savant dogs and counting cats — in a word, all the types found in fairs and circuses who come under the general name of jongleur.”(5) -- http://www.arthurchandler.com/symbolism-of-juggling http://www.arthurchandler.com/symbolism-of-juggling
- theragra 2y ago
  This feature is cool as fuck, but I noticed that podcasts it generates loose quite a lot of details from the original article. Even longreads turn into 13 mins chunks.

by wenc 2y ago

HarHarVeryFunny 2y ago

The most amazing thing with notebooklm is that is can turn your docs into a very high quality podcast of two people discussing the content of your docs.

rty32 2y ago
It is a cool concept, but anyone who listens to enough podcasts know that hosts have personalities and interests, and productions usually have their styles, focus and quality. These features make podcast channels unique and make you want to come back. That's why you may want to listen to podcast A instead of B even though they discuss the same topics. I doubt the Google thing will ever give us that -- likely just one hour of generic rambling that gets boring.
supafastcoder 2y ago
It's fun the first time but it quickly gets boring.
8338550bff96 2y ago
Finding signal in noise is not an easy job given clip things are moving along. Whatever content creators need to do to deliver quality distilled content - I'm here for it.
ben_w 2y ago
Juggling dog. It's not very good, but it's amazing that it's possible at all. https://github.com/BenWheatley/Timeline-of-the-near-future https://github.com/BenWheatley/Timeline-of-the-near-future I've only used the "Deep Dive" generator a few times, and I'm already sensing the audio equivalent of "youtube face" in the style — not saying that's inherently bad, but this is definitely early days for this kind of tool, so consider Deep Dive as it is today to be a GPT-2 demo of things to come.
- stavros 2y ago
  Do you have a reference for the "Juggling dog" thing? I've heard it with "singing dog", but I never managed to find any "official" reference or explanation of the thing.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    Unfortunately not. Trying to find where I got my version from just brought me back to one of my own comments on Hacker News from 8 months ago: > "your dog is juggling, filing taxes, and baking a cake, and rather than be impressed it can do any of those things, you're complaining it drops some balls, misses some figures, and the cake recipe leaves a lot to be desired". - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170057 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39170057 I couldn't remember where I got it from then either.
    - stavros 2y ago
      Oh hm, maybe you came up with it/adapted a previous saying, then. I'm not 100% sure the dog was singing either.
      - gwern 2y ago
        He is adapting one of Samuel Johnson's most famous quotations, about the astonishing sight of seeing a woman preaching - like a dog walking, it may not be done well, but it's astonishing to see it done at all.
  - Jerrrrrrry 2y ago
    He meant singing dog, likely conflated due to his linguistic interest. "Juggling dog" has only been expressed a single time previously in our corpus of humanity: During the Middle Ages, however, church and state sometimes frowned more sternly on the juggler. "The duties of the king," said the edicts of the Sixth Council of Paris during the Middle Ages, "are to prevent theft, to punish adultery, and to refuse to maintain jongleurs."(4) What did these jugglers do to provoke the ire of churchmen? It is difficult to say with certainty, since the jongleurs were often jacks-of-all-trades. At times they were auxiliary performers who worked with troubadour poets in Europe, especially the south of France and Spain. The troubadours would write poetry, and the jongleurs would perform their verses to music. But troubadours often performed their own poetry, and jongleurs chanted street ballads they had picked up in their wanderings. Consequently, the terms "troubadour" and "jongleur" are often used interchangeably by their contemporaries. These jongleurs might sing amorous songs or pantomime licentious actions. But they might be also jugglers, bear trainers, acrobats, sleight-of-hand artists or outright mountebanks. Historian Joseph Anglade remarks that in the high Middle Ages: "We see the singer and strolling musician, who comes to the cabaret to perform; the mountebank-juggler, with his tricks of sleight-of-hand, who well represents the class of jongleurs for whom his name had become synonymous; and finally the acrobat, often accompanied by female dancers of easy morals, exhibiting to the gaping public the gaggle of animals he has dressed up — birds, monkeys, bears, savant dogs and counting cats — in a word, all the types found in fairs and circuses who come under the general name of jongleur.”(5) -- http://www.arthurchandler.com/symbolism-of-juggling http://www.arthurchandler.com/symbolism-of-juggling
theragra 2y ago
This feature is cool as fuck, but I noticed that podcasts it generates loose quite a lot of details from the original article. Even longreads turn into 13 mins chunks.