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Do they not understand that the example text they are using in the first image is so laughably banal that it makes an entire segment of its potential audience n

• BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
  > Do they not understand They don't care. Their goal is to accelerate the production of garbage.
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  • csomar 2y ago
    I am trying to convince myself that I am not insane and everyone else is. The platform was literally down for me for a good 12 hours or so because they had an auth problem or bug. Their interface is subpar yet they are trying to convince people that this is replacing knowledge worker any minute now. I recommended to a friend that he uses chatGPT to write some English content and it did a bad job. I checked bolt yesterday and the code it produced for a very simple app was complete garbage hallucination. I really like copilot/ai when the focus was about hyper-auto-complete. I wish the integration was LSP+autocomplete+compilation check+docs correlation. That will boost my productivity x10 times and save me some brain cycles. Instead we are getting garbage UX/Backends that are trying to fully replace devs. Give me a break.
    • dumbfounder 2y ago
      Garbage in, garbage out. It is not going to imagine your perfect scenario and then create it for you. I take anyone saying it is garbage with a grain of salt because it is incredibly useful for me. And others think so too, so how can your bad experience negate that. It can't. If you can craft the right prompts it can make you much more efficient. Anyone saying it is going to replace whole people en masse is just part of the hype machine. But if all it does is make every human on earth 1% more efficient then that is an obscene amount of value it is creating.
    • mvdtnz 2y ago
      I'm with you. I feel like I'm losing my mind. Everyone around me is talking about the looming AGI, death of the knowledge worker and how "everything" has changed. But every time I try to use these text generators I get nothing useful from them. It's like the whole world has bought into a mass hallucination.
      • lovethevoid 2y ago
        It makes more sense when you realize that while sure, there might be slight variation in output, generally speaking the people tripping over themselves in how [current version] is so amazing aren't being totally honest about why they think it's amazing. For them, the ability to generate so much trash is the good part. They might not even be fully aware that it's trash, but their general goal is to output more trash because trash is profitable. It's like all those "productivity systems". Not a single one will produce a noticeable increase in productivity magically that you can't get from just a $1 notebook, they just make you feel like you are being more productive. Same with RP bots or AI text editors. It makes you feel so much faster, and for a lot of people that's enough so they want in on a slice of the AI moneypit!
        • adunsulag 2y ago
          Its a tool, like any other tool a software developer would use. In areas where I have a lot of repetition or need to pour through verbose (but simple) documentation, its such a game changer. I can spend 5 minutes thinking about what I want the machine to do, give it some samples of what I expect the output to be and wala, it generates it, often times 100% correct if I've got the prompt put in properly, sometimes its good enough with a bit of refinement. This is something I would normally have delegated to a junior team member or sub-contractor, but now I'm saving in time and money. Occasionally I sink 1-2 hours into a tweaking something I thought was 90% correct but was in reality garbage. I had that happen a lot more with earlier models, but its becoming increasingly rare. Perhaps I'm recognizing the limitations of the tool, or the systems indeed are getting better. This is all anecdotal, but I'm shipping and building faster than I was previously and its definitely not all trash.
      • gen220 2y ago
• yawnxyz 2y ago
  This means you're a great writer — congrats! I'm a terrible writer, and this kind of crutch is really useful. Other people in our lab (from China, Korea, etc.) also find this kind of thing useful for working / communicating quickly
  • throwgfgfd25 2y ago
    Well, I've just read back through some of your comments and I say that ain't so! Write honestly. Write the way you write. Use your own flow, make your own grammatical wobbles, whatever they are. Express yourself authentically. Don't let an AI do this to you.
    • meiraleal 2y ago
      Person A: Me try make this code work but it always crash! maybe the server hate or i miss thing. any help? Person A with AI: I've been trying to get this code to work, but it keeps crashing. I'm not sure if I missed something or if there's an issue with the server. Any tips would be appreciated! For a non-native English speaker, it's much better professionally to use AI before sending a message than to appear authentic (which you won't in another language that you aren't fluent so better to sound robotic than write like a 10 years old kid).
      • gloflo 2y ago
        Person A with AI: In the bustling world of software development, where lines of code intertwine to create the intricate tapestry of our digital lives, I find myself facing a challenge that has proven to be both perplexing and frustrating. I’ve spent over a decade honing my skills as a developer. Known for my analytical mind and commitment to excellence, I’ve navigated various programming languages, frameworks, and projects that I’m proud to have contributed to. Recently, I stumbled upon a bug that initially seemed minor but quickly revealed itself to be a formidable adversary. It disrupted the seamless user experience I had meticulously crafted, and despite my best efforts, this issue has remained elusive. Each attempt to isolate and resolve it has only led me deeper into a labyrinth of complexity, leaving me frustrated yet undeterred. Understanding that even the most seasoned developers can hit a wall, I’m reaching out for help. I’ve documented the symptoms, error messages, and my various attempts at resolution, and I’m eager to collaborate with anyone who might have insights or fresh perspectives. It’s in the spirit of community and shared knowledge that I hope to unravel this mystery and turn this challenge into an opportunity for growth.
• wilde 2y ago
  TBF it looks like it’s intended as a “before” image but yes suspect the “after” isn’t much better
  • throwgfgfd25 2y ago
    Is it? I thought that was the draft, as a result of the dialogue in the sidebar. If I am wrong then OK!
• mvdtnz 2y ago
  That exact banality has somehow made them into a 150 billion dollar business and darling of hacker news.
  • csomar 2y ago
    They plateaued on model performance and they are hype based. They need to keep the momentum going by "releasing" stuff, so they are garbage out at the moment. Given that open weight models are so close to gpt-4, their value is exactly 0 unless they can produce a new model with a significant jump in coherence. Them releasing this stuff actually suggest they don't have much progress in their next model. It's a sell signal but today's investors have made their money in zirp, so they have no idea about the real world market. In a sense this is the market funneling money from stupid to grifter.
• RigelKentaurus 2y ago
  The text i supposed to be banal, so that ChatGPT can make it better. It's like the before picture in an exercise course.
  • throwgfgfd25 2y ago
    It's not, is it? It's meant to be the draft it created from the notes.
• WD-42 2y ago
  I thought the same thing: the “blog post” in the example image is an example of the absolute trash that’s being spewed onto the internet by these tools. 10+ sentences and yet somehow nothing actually said.
  • aflukasz 2y ago
    Well, the UI has slider for length, so there is that.
    • throwgfgfd25 2y ago
      "Please say this, but in more sentences"
• janalsncm 2y ago
  > Do they not understand I see this all the time from AI boosters. Flashy presentation, and it seems like it worked! But if you actually stare at the result for a moment, it’s mediocre at best. Part of the issue is that people who are experts at creating ML models aren’t experts at all the downstream tasks those models are asked to do. So if you ask it to “write a poem about pizza” as long as it generally fits the description it goes into the demo. We saw this with Gemini’s hallucination bug in one of their demos, telling you to remove film from a camera (this would ruin the photos on the film). They obviously didn’t know anything about the subject beforehand.
  • throwgfgfd25 2y ago
    > Part of the issue is that people who are experts at creating ML models aren’t experts at all the downstream tasks those models are asked to do. Yep. CAD, music, poetry, comedy. Same pattern in each. But it's more than not being experts: it's about a subliminal belief that there either isn't much to be expert in or a denial of the value of that expertise, like if what they do can be replicated by a neural network trained on the description, is it even expertise? Unavoidably, all of this stuff is about allowing people to do, with software, tasks they would otherwise need experts for.
    • janalsncm 2y ago
      Well, comedians still exist, despite the fact that ChatGPT can write an endless stream of “jokes” for next to zero cost. So do musicians. I know less about poetry and CAD but I assume people who seek out those modalities aren’t going to be impressed with generic garbage. A person who seeks out poetry isn’t going to be easily impressed.
      • throwgfgfd25 2y ago
        No. But then all of these products are marketed to people who are, at some domain-specific level, still towards the "but I wore the juice!" end of the scale, right? Unskilled and unaware of it. Or rather, unskilled and unaware of what a skilled output actually involves. So, unaware of the damage they do to their reputations by passing off the output of a GPT. This is what I mean about the writing, ultimately. If you don't know why ChatGPT writing is sort of essentially banal and detracts from honesty and authenticity, you're the sort of person who shouldn't be using it. (And if you do know why, you don't need to use it)