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Having talked with several of them, most of the people who submit the prior art as part of Project Jengo would do so even if there were no payout. Several winne

Having talked with several of them, most of the people who submit the prior art as part of Project Jengo would do so even if there were no payout. Several winners have actually asked that the payout be donated back to other organizations fighting patent trolls. This isn't intended to be anyone's full time job. It is intended to reward technical people with industry knowledge who may be able to help surface prior art and are as sick of patent trolls as we are.

mdhb 2y ago
That’s cool and all but don’t lowball people. This was the first thing Cloudflare has done in years that I didn’t associate with something shitty until I saw this. Just for once do the right thing rather than what you think you can get away with because overall this is a genuinely something to be celebrated.
- lolinder 2y ago
  They clearly offered enough to be worth it to enough people to take out Sable. If being part of a successful effort to take down a patent troll is its own reward and Cloudflare successfully coordinated the work to make that happen, I'm really failing to see the problem.
  - mdhb 2y ago
    They offered enough to get some activity happening which viewed strictly through the lens of capitalism and quarter to quarter balance sheets is +10 points no question. That’s not what I’m talking about here though.
    - lolinder 2y ago
      That's not what I'm talking about either, so I'm glad we're on the same page.
btrettel 2y ago
Thanks for your comment. Personally, I value my own time well above my job's hourly rate, so I would expect to be paid more, not less, in the situation you describe. I suspect the same is true for many others as well. > most of the people who submit the prior art as part of Project Jengo would do so even if there were no payout I'd say this is due to selection bias. People who wanted a bigger payout didn't participate. You all's program is basically over now, but I think anyone considering a prior art bounty program in the future should check best practices for bug bounty programs. The two seem similar to me. Paying more will get more and better submissions, and it doesn't seem to be particularly expensive to me.
- chmod775 2y ago
  > I value my own time well above my job's hourly rate And you can do with your own time whatever you want. If you want to go to the beach, you go the beach, and you wouldn't expect the beach to pay you for the privilege. If you want to fight patent trolls...
- kortilla 2y ago
  Wait until you find out how much open source contributors get paid. Haven’t you ever worked with people passionate about something?
- tripzilch 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    You unfortunately crossed into personal attack and broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. That's not allowed here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are, so please don't do it again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- bawolff 2y ago
  This is no different than security bug bounties. The pay out for those are generally way way below industry rates. The reason they are succesful is because they signal to people that the person on the other side actually cares about the report somewhat. If they are paying for it, even just a little, they are unlikely to immediately throw your report in the garbage or threaten to sue you. Its not really about the money.

mdhb 2y ago

That’s cool and all but don’t lowball people. This was the first thing Cloudflare has done in years that I didn’t associate with something shitty until I saw this. Just for once do the right thing rather than what you think you can get away with because overall this is a genuinely something to be celebrated.

lolinder 2y ago
They clearly offered enough to be worth it to enough people to take out Sable. If being part of a successful effort to take down a patent troll is its own reward and Cloudflare successfully coordinated the work to make that happen, I'm really failing to see the problem.
- mdhb 2y ago
  They offered enough to get some activity happening which viewed strictly through the lens of capitalism and quarter to quarter balance sheets is +10 points no question. That’s not what I’m talking about here though.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    That's not what I'm talking about either, so I'm glad we're on the same page.

btrettel 2y ago

Thanks for your comment. Personally, I value my own time well above my job's hourly rate, so I would expect to be paid more, not less, in the situation you describe. I suspect the same is true for many others as well. > most of the people who submit the prior art as part of Project Jengo would do so even if there were no payout I'd say this is due to selection bias. People who wanted a bigger payout didn't participate. You all's program is basically over now, but I think anyone considering a prior art bounty program in the future should check best practices for bug bounty programs. The two seem similar to me. Paying more will get more and better submissions, and it doesn't seem to be particularly expensive to me.

chmod775 2y ago
> I value my own time well above my job's hourly rate And you can do with your own time whatever you want. If you want to go to the beach, you go the beach, and you wouldn't expect the beach to pay you for the privilege. If you want to fight patent trolls...
kortilla 2y ago
Wait until you find out how much open source contributors get paid. Haven’t you ever worked with people passionate about something?
tripzilch 2y ago
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- dang 2y ago
  You unfortunately crossed into personal attack and broke the site guidelines repeatedly in this thread. That's not allowed here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are, so please don't do it again. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
bawolff 2y ago
This is no different than security bug bounties. The pay out for those are generally way way below industry rates. The reason they are succesful is because they signal to people that the person on the other side actually cares about the report somewhat. If they are paying for it, even just a little, they are unlikely to immediately throw your report in the garbage or threaten to sue you. Its not really about the money.