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I'm worried about what happens when more people find out about Ideogram. There are a lot of things that don't appear in ELO scores. For one, they will not refl

I'm worried about what happens when more people find out about Ideogram. There are a lot of things that don't appear in ELO scores. For one, they will not reflect that you cannot prompt women's faces in Flux. We can only speculate why.

giancarlostoro 2y ago
How locked down is it? My problem with a lot of these is I like to make really ridiculous meme type images, but I run into walls for dumb reasons. Like if I want to make something thats "copyrighted" like a mix of certain characters from one franchise or whatever, I cannot sometimes I get told that the model cannot generate copyrighted content, even though courts ruled that AI generated stuff cannot be copyrighted either way... I feel like AI should just be treated as fair use as long as its not 100% blatantly a literal clone of the original work.
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  > How locked down is it? ... I get told that the model cannot generate copyrighted... AI should just be treated as fair use Ideogram and Flux both have their own broad set of limitations that are non-technical and unpublished. IMO they are not really motivated by legal concerns, other than the lack of transparency itself. So maybe the issue is that transparency, and that the hazy legal climate means no transparency. You can't go anywhere and see the detailed list of dataset collection and captioning opinions for proprietary models. Open Model Initiative, trying to make a model, did publish their opinions, and they're not getting sued anytime soon. However, their opinions are an endless source of conflict.
- jjordan 2y ago
  I've been using Venice.ai which offers afaik the most uncensored service currently available, outside of running your own instances. No problem with prompts that include copyrighted terms.
- sdenton4 2y ago
  It's perfectly happy to make an imperial storm trooper riding a dragon, for what it's worth
liuliu 2y ago
What do you mean? FLUX.1 prompts women or women faces just fine? Do you mean the skin texture is unrealistic or some other artifacts?
- doctorpangloss 2y ago
  Flux will not adhere to your detailed description of a woman's face nearly as well as it does for a man, and it doesn't adhere to text descriptions of faces well in general. This is not a technical limitation, this was a choice in the captioning of the model's dataset and maybe other more sophisticated decisions like loss. It exhibits similar flaws with its representation of male versus female celebrities; it also exhibits this flaw when you use language that describes male celebrities versus female celebrities appearances.
  - fortran77 2y ago
    I found Flux will barely pay attention to a celebrity name. I like Flux but it makes all realistic human men and women look the same. I tried using celebrity names and it barely made a difference.
- jjcm 2y ago
  Flux tends to gravitate towards a single face archetype for both sexes. For women it's a narrow face with a very slightly cleft chin. Men almost always appear with a very short cut beard or stubble. r/stablediffusion calls it the "flux face", and there are several LoRAs that aim to steer the model away from them.
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- throwaway314155 2y ago
  what they really mean is that it's not useful for generating lewd imagery of women. It was likely nerfed in this regard on purpose because BFL didn't want to be associated with that (however legal it may be).

giancarlostoro 2y ago

How locked down is it? My problem with a lot of these is I like to make really ridiculous meme type images, but I run into walls for dumb reasons. Like if I want to make something thats "copyrighted" like a mix of certain characters from one franchise or whatever, I cannot sometimes I get told that the model cannot generate copyrighted content, even though courts ruled that AI generated stuff cannot be copyrighted either way... I feel like AI should just be treated as fair use as long as its not 100% blatantly a literal clone of the original work.

doctorpangloss 2y ago
> How locked down is it? ... I get told that the model cannot generate copyrighted... AI should just be treated as fair use Ideogram and Flux both have their own broad set of limitations that are non-technical and unpublished. IMO they are not really motivated by legal concerns, other than the lack of transparency itself. So maybe the issue is that transparency, and that the hazy legal climate means no transparency. You can't go anywhere and see the detailed list of dataset collection and captioning opinions for proprietary models. Open Model Initiative, trying to make a model, did publish their opinions, and they're not getting sued anytime soon. However, their opinions are an endless source of conflict.
jjordan 2y ago
I've been using Venice.ai which offers afaik the most uncensored service currently available, outside of running your own instances. No problem with prompts that include copyrighted terms.
sdenton4 2y ago
It's perfectly happy to make an imperial storm trooper riding a dragon, for what it's worth

liuliu 2y ago

What do you mean? FLUX.1 prompts women or women faces just fine? Do you mean the skin texture is unrealistic or some other artifacts?

doctorpangloss 2y ago
Flux will not adhere to your detailed description of a woman's face nearly as well as it does for a man, and it doesn't adhere to text descriptions of faces well in general. This is not a technical limitation, this was a choice in the captioning of the model's dataset and maybe other more sophisticated decisions like loss. It exhibits similar flaws with its representation of male versus female celebrities; it also exhibits this flaw when you use language that describes male celebrities versus female celebrities appearances.
- fortran77 2y ago
  I found Flux will barely pay attention to a celebrity name. I like Flux but it makes all realistic human men and women look the same. I tried using celebrity names and it barely made a difference.
jjcm 2y ago
Flux tends to gravitate towards a single face archetype for both sexes. For women it's a narrow face with a very slightly cleft chin. Men almost always appear with a very short cut beard or stubble. r/stablediffusion calls it the "flux face", and there are several LoRAs that aim to steer the model away from them.
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throwaway314155 2y ago
what they really mean is that it's not useful for generating lewd imagery of women. It was likely nerfed in this regard on purpose because BFL didn't want to be associated with that (however legal it may be).