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I would like to see a comparison with other types of physical exercise that contain an element of continuous learning. Wrestling, BJJ, even boxercise, crossfit
by changing1999 2y ago
I would like to see a comparison with other types of physical exercise that contain an element of continuous learning. Wrestling, BJJ, even boxercise, crossfit and such. Since the argument seems to be specifically about learning new routines and how that impacts neuroplasticity, dance vs other more cognitively challenging workouts would be an interesting comparison.
- PUSH_AX 2y agoThat’s really interesting, bjj is essentially physical problem solving with dire consequences
- BaculumMeumEst 2y agoI think if your exercise involves you regularly getting choked out you probably shouldn’t be expecting neurological benefits
- changing1999 2y agoNo one is getting regularly choked out in BJJ. You always tap. The goal is not to injure your partner but to learn together. Source: 5 years of BJJ, I have never been choked out, I am not an idiot.
- gregors 2y agoThe only reason you'd ever get choked out in BJJ is because you lost the fight with your own ego.
- changing1999 2y agoThat's a good way to put it. I trained in many gyms across two continents and never saw anyone getting chocked out in class.
- WalterBright 2y agoWith dance you are constantly learning new material. Much less so with an exercise routine, even if you "mix it up".
- harimau777 2y agoWith most martial arts you are constantly learning new material comparable to dance (that's to say nothing of martial arts like Capoeira and Silat which incorporate dance into their training). It is also quite common for martial artists to add new skills that cover different aspects of combat. E.g. once karate-ka have a solid foundation in unarmed combat they often learn to use weapons. Practitioners of striking oriented martial arts commonly cross train in grappling or throwing oriented arts. Practitioners of Northern Kung Fu (generally focused on long range) might train in Southern Kung Fu (generally focused on short range). Many martial artists also incorporate supplemental practices such as meditation, qigong, or hojo undo.
- changing1999 2y agoNot sure if you have experienced martial arts. It's constant learning. Sparring is a small part of the process. See kata in karate, hundreds of moves and transitions in BJJ, etc
- vunderba 2y ago100% agree. Not to mention that the goal of a dance partner isn't usually to surprise you, whereas in most forms of sparring, you are constantly trying to anticipate your opponent and adapt to them.
- WalterBright 2y agoAnticipating and adapting is how lead-follow dances work, especially when your partner is not your usual partner. The follower anticipates and adapts to the leader, the leader anticipates and adapts to the follower's skill and knowledge level. A good lead will make the follower look good and feel good. A leader is also responsible for collision avoidance with other couples, and enables the follower to have confidence in moving backwards. Think of it this way. It requires enough of your brain that you cannot carry on a conversation at the same time. If you're out jogging, you can have a conversation.
- buescher 2y agoGood martial arts instructors are very experienced at working with unathletic beginners who have never had much coaching before. “No, the other left.” Probably easier to find a class at level as a total beginner where you’re still expected to make a lot of progress than some other things.
- suzzer99 2y agoPeter Attia had a guest on his podcast who said something along these lines. He was really into training people to do Olympic lifting because of the cognitive component that goes along with the exercise. He also said hiking is good because the terrain is inconsistent, and you have to think about each step to some degree.