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Hum... Doesn't clouldfare have patents of their own? Don't they enforce them? Did they turn them to the public domain? You have to love hypocrites.

pjc50 2y ago
I don't know, do they? There's an important difference between patenting something that you've invented and built, and a patent troll which has done neither.
- abetancort 2y ago
  The patent troll buys patents from inventors and then spend money enforcing it. Not much different from Cloudfare paying salaries to the inventors to become the patent holders and then enforcing it against third-parties. Tech patents exist because companies like Clouldflare want to because they make money with them (suing people). If companies like Cloudfare did want all tech patents to be gone, they would be gone and no patent troll would be able to do anything about. And they try lure you with $5.000 to do the work to get them off the hook? They are cheap and bunch hypocrites.
  - sophacles 2y ago
    Do you have any evidence of Cloudflare suing people for violating their patents. Seems like you'd be able to back up this claim since it's a core component of your argument. Also, your reasoning seems to leave out a world of possibilities for why someone would hold a patent - its worth looking up the thinking around defensive patent portfolios. These exist for a few reasons.... patents might be strategically filed to: * have prior art on the record to keep a market open... e.g. preventing a competitor from monopolizing a space. * have patents available for counter-suit against competitors suing over patent violation of some bit of tech that uses both. * impress investors * provide recognition to employees. At least in the US patents are filed by individuals, and the rights of the patent are then assigned to the company. Granted patents usually come with bonuses, as well as a nice resume padding that helps the engineers involved get higher salaries in the future.
    - mnemotronic 2y ago
      Agreed. Tech companies with patents might be more interested in licensing their technology to others for a fee.
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sophacles 2y ago
> Doesn't clouldfare have patents of their own? Looks like it. Not all patents are the same - sometimes a patent is erroneously granted for something that is not a novel invention. The judge and jury ruled that the patents involved in this case were in that category... and therefore invalid patents. There is no hypocrisy in holding patents (presumably ones you believe are valid) while pointing out that some other patents are invalid. I don't understand how this could equate to hypocrisy in any scenario short of the patent holder declaring all patents except theirs must be invalid on the principle that all patents are bad. > Don't they enforce them? Feel free to prove me wrong, but I've never seen anything about Cloudflare going after people for patent violations. I believe they subscribe to the modern tech patent strategy of having a big patent portfolio that only really gets used as part of a counter-suit if someone sues them for patent infringement. Additionally, I presume Cloudflare's patents are related to the tech they develop and sell, which is categorically and qualitatively different than a law firm that does literally nothing of value buying up old patents and suing everyone who has ever used a word that also is present in the patent. Given that the usage, purpose, and means of obtaining a patent are different between cloudflare and the troll - I don't understand how a hypocrisy claim can be leveled here... it defies all reason and logic to do so.

pjc50 2y ago

I don't know, do they? There's an important difference between patenting something that you've invented and built, and a patent troll which has done neither.

abetancort 2y ago
The patent troll buys patents from inventors and then spend money enforcing it. Not much different from Cloudfare paying salaries to the inventors to become the patent holders and then enforcing it against third-parties. Tech patents exist because companies like Clouldflare want to because they make money with them (suing people). If companies like Cloudfare did want all tech patents to be gone, they would be gone and no patent troll would be able to do anything about. And they try lure you with $5.000 to do the work to get them off the hook? They are cheap and bunch hypocrites.
- sophacles 2y ago
  Do you have any evidence of Cloudflare suing people for violating their patents. Seems like you'd be able to back up this claim since it's a core component of your argument. Also, your reasoning seems to leave out a world of possibilities for why someone would hold a patent - its worth looking up the thinking around defensive patent portfolios. These exist for a few reasons.... patents might be strategically filed to: * have prior art on the record to keep a market open... e.g. preventing a competitor from monopolizing a space. * have patents available for counter-suit against competitors suing over patent violation of some bit of tech that uses both. * impress investors * provide recognition to employees. At least in the US patents are filed by individuals, and the rights of the patent are then assigned to the company. Granted patents usually come with bonuses, as well as a nice resume padding that helps the engineers involved get higher salaries in the future.
  - mnemotronic 2y ago
    Agreed. Tech companies with patents might be more interested in licensing their technology to others for a fee.

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sophacles 2y ago

> Doesn't clouldfare have patents of their own? Looks like it. Not all patents are the same - sometimes a patent is erroneously granted for something that is not a novel invention. The judge and jury ruled that the patents involved in this case were in that category... and therefore invalid patents. There is no hypocrisy in holding patents (presumably ones you believe are valid) while pointing out that some other patents are invalid. I don't understand how this could equate to hypocrisy in any scenario short of the patent holder declaring all patents except theirs must be invalid on the principle that all patents are bad. > Don't they enforce them? Feel free to prove me wrong, but I've never seen anything about Cloudflare going after people for patent violations. I believe they subscribe to the modern tech patent strategy of having a big patent portfolio that only really gets used as part of a counter-suit if someone sues them for patent infringement. Additionally, I presume Cloudflare's patents are related to the tech they develop and sell, which is categorically and qualitatively different than a law firm that does literally nothing of value buying up old patents and suing everyone who has ever used a word that also is present in the patent. Given that the usage, purpose, and means of obtaining a patent are different between cloudflare and the troll - I don't understand how a hypocrisy claim can be leveled here... it defies all reason and logic to do so.