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YouTube puts a Strike for showing how to setup Jellyfin

36 points by humbfool2 2y ago

blankx32 2y ago
Decentralise the tube
humbfool2 2y ago
Update - The strike was taken back https://x.com/geerlingguy/status/1841487314440061273?s=46 https://x.com/geerlingguy/status/1841487314440061273?s=46
- lagniappe 2y ago
  Only because it was Jeff Geerling, which is another different problem youtube has. There is nobody to lobby on behalf of the smaller creators.
  - SPascareli13 2y ago
    Not sure about this particular instance. LTT got a video taken down by community guidelines violation just the other day, and they are much bigger than Jeff.
blackeyeblitzar 2y ago
I really wish there was a viable alternative to YouTube. But its network effects prevent real competition, since content creators depend on users and monetization.
- dvh 2y ago
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  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    How does that help with YT's network effects?
    - ivanmontillam 2y ago
      Though I can see the oversimplifation the parent post did, they have a point. What are YouTube's network effects? Discoverability and deliverability. You can overcome the deliverability challenge with a CDN of your choosing. The discoverability issue can be worked out by good SEO and POSSE[0] principles. Yeah, it's not the same, but you own your media. Freedom costs money. You can't/Don't want to pay? be subjected to Google. This is still a free world. Free as in freedom, just not free as in free beer. -- [0]: https://indieweb.org/POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE
      - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
        I would argue that YT's network effect is producers, consumers, and content, which are in a feedback loop: Users default to youtube, because it has the most content. It has the most content because producers upload there. Producers upload there because it's where the users are. You can spend money on either the producer or consumer side, but it doesn't break the cycle.
    - b112 2y ago
      If only there was some website which could find, and gleam metadata from videos, and provide such info in a list, with a text based query. Oh wait! Google! Well surely as an independent search engine with no desire to exhibit anti-trust practices, they do spend as much time developing algos for scraping for independent video. And as a search engine, working with webmasters to provide easy scraping of metadata, and better integration into their search results. And ranking it higher than youtube when sensible. Right?
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      If that is what you need then the alternatives are TikTok and Instagram
    - nonameiguess 2y ago
  - mschuster91 2y ago
    Doesn't work without commercial large players such as Cloudflare, S3 or Akamai backing you either. IME, even if you're "just" hosting a website for a car dealership and have a video showing a tour of the shop, it will end up being targeted. Misconfigured spiders hitting the video again and again and AGAIN, probably to harvest it for AI training, legitimate DDoS attacks just using videos as something efficient to cause you large bandwidth costs... If you were to rebuild YouTube, aka not just hosting your own cat photos and videos like with a blog, but also the social element, it gets even worse. All the problems from above, plus you gotta deal with regular spammers and scammers now, plus PPV-porn spammers, PLUS all the CSAM spreaders who are constantly looking for new ways to host their shit in the clearnet. You can't just go and run your own self-host these days, not if you are not prepared to deal with all sorts of abusive behavior yourself.
    - ranger_danger 2y ago
      > You can't just go and run your own self-host these days, not if you are not prepared to deal with all sorts of abusive behavior yourself. People do it all the time though, but maybe your point was more about self-hosting popular sites.
- A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
  Same. If there is any benefit to any of it, it is that it forced to re-evaluate some of my habits. Videos I consider useful in the future, I save now ( some unraid setup, some sciency stuff ). That said, I am not looking at it from content creator perspective at all, which is part of the problem, because I am relatively certain that Google does not do it either.
neilv 2y ago
> Thank you for your appeal. We've determined that your content Better than Disney+: Jellyfin on my NAS doesn't violate Community Guidelines. Your content is now live and any related strikes have been removed. I don't see an apology, nor an indication that there will be corrective action towards whatever initiated this.
- normalaccess 2y ago
  Martin Seligman’s famous experiments with dogs involved exposing them to unpredictable and uncontrollable electric shocks. After being subjected to random shocks, the dogs eventually stopped trying to escape, even when escape became possible. This led to the theory of learned helplessness, where individuals (or animals) stop attempting to change their situation because their efforts have been ineffective in the past. In my opinion, YouTube’s inconsistent moderation is intentional. It fosters learned helplessness in creators, causing them to stop contesting penalties and simply comply. The unpredictability of penalties leads to self-censorship, as creators try to avoid further punishment, even without understanding why their content is penalized. This fear of random consequences drives passive compliance and penalizes "wrong-think".
  - Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
    Its generous to think that YouTube's consideration for its creators rises anywhere even near the level of 'dog'.
neilv 2y ago
URL for same post content, by same person, but on non-walled-garden platform: https://mastodon.social/@geerlingguy/113238336137663347 https://mastodon.social/@geerlingguy/113238336137663347
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36 points by humbfool2 2y ago

Decentralise the tube

Update - The strike was taken back https://x.com/geerlingguy/status/1841487314440061273?s=46 https://x.com/geerlingguy/status/1841487314440061273?s=46

lagniappe 2y ago
Only because it was Jeff Geerling, which is another different problem youtube has. There is nobody to lobby on behalf of the smaller creators.
- SPascareli13 2y ago
  Not sure about this particular instance. LTT got a video taken down by community guidelines violation just the other day, and they are much bigger than Jeff.

blackeyeblitzar 2y ago

I really wish there was a viable alternative to YouTube. But its network effects prevent real competition, since content creators depend on users and monetization.

dvh 2y ago
<video src="file.mp4"></video>
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
  How does that help with YT's network effects?
  - ivanmontillam 2y ago
    Though I can see the oversimplifation the parent post did, they have a point. What are YouTube's network effects? Discoverability and deliverability. You can overcome the deliverability challenge with a CDN of your choosing. The discoverability issue can be worked out by good SEO and POSSE[0] principles. Yeah, it's not the same, but you own your media. Freedom costs money. You can't/Don't want to pay? be subjected to Google. This is still a free world. Free as in freedom, just not free as in free beer. -- [0]: https://indieweb.org/POSSE https://indieweb.org/POSSE
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      I would argue that YT's network effect is producers, consumers, and content, which are in a feedback loop: Users default to youtube, because it has the most content. It has the most content because producers upload there. Producers upload there because it's where the users are. You can spend money on either the producer or consumer side, but it doesn't break the cycle.
  - b112 2y ago
    If only there was some website which could find, and gleam metadata from videos, and provide such info in a list, with a text based query. Oh wait! Google! Well surely as an independent search engine with no desire to exhibit anti-trust practices, they do spend as much time developing algos for scraping for independent video. And as a search engine, working with webmasters to provide easy scraping of metadata, and better integration into their search results. And ranking it higher than youtube when sensible. Right?
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    If that is what you need then the alternatives are TikTok and Instagram
  - nonameiguess 2y ago
- mschuster91 2y ago
  Doesn't work without commercial large players such as Cloudflare, S3 or Akamai backing you either. IME, even if you're "just" hosting a website for a car dealership and have a video showing a tour of the shop, it will end up being targeted. Misconfigured spiders hitting the video again and again and AGAIN, probably to harvest it for AI training, legitimate DDoS attacks just using videos as something efficient to cause you large bandwidth costs... If you were to rebuild YouTube, aka not just hosting your own cat photos and videos like with a blog, but also the social element, it gets even worse. All the problems from above, plus you gotta deal with regular spammers and scammers now, plus PPV-porn spammers, PLUS all the CSAM spreaders who are constantly looking for new ways to host their shit in the clearnet. You can't just go and run your own self-host these days, not if you are not prepared to deal with all sorts of abusive behavior yourself.
  - ranger_danger 2y ago
    > You can't just go and run your own self-host these days, not if you are not prepared to deal with all sorts of abusive behavior yourself. People do it all the time though, but maybe your point was more about self-hosting popular sites.
A4ET8a8uTh0 2y ago
Same. If there is any benefit to any of it, it is that it forced to re-evaluate some of my habits. Videos I consider useful in the future, I save now ( some unraid setup, some sciency stuff ). That said, I am not looking at it from content creator perspective at all, which is part of the problem, because I am relatively certain that Google does not do it either.

neilv 2y ago

> Thank you for your appeal. We've determined that your content Better than Disney+: Jellyfin on my NAS doesn't violate Community Guidelines. Your content is now live and any related strikes have been removed. I don't see an apology, nor an indication that there will be corrective action towards whatever initiated this.

normalaccess 2y ago
Martin Seligman’s famous experiments with dogs involved exposing them to unpredictable and uncontrollable electric shocks. After being subjected to random shocks, the dogs eventually stopped trying to escape, even when escape became possible. This led to the theory of learned helplessness, where individuals (or animals) stop attempting to change their situation because their efforts have been ineffective in the past. In my opinion, YouTube’s inconsistent moderation is intentional. It fosters learned helplessness in creators, causing them to stop contesting penalties and simply comply. The unpredictability of penalties leads to self-censorship, as creators try to avoid further punishment, even without understanding why their content is penalized. This fear of random consequences drives passive compliance and penalizes "wrong-think".
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y ago
  Its generous to think that YouTube's consideration for its creators rises anywhere even near the level of 'dog'.

neilv 2y ago

URL for same post content, by same person, but on non-walled-garden platform: https://mastodon.social/@geerlingguy/113238336137663347 https://mastodon.social/@geerlingguy/113238336137663347

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