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That's not the last time at all. They have banned parties regular since ww2 on the basis of Strafgesetzbuch section 86a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafges

by tokai 2y ago

That's not the last time at all. They have banned parties regular since ww2 on the basis of Strafgesetzbuch section 86a. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafgesetzbuch_section_86a

amiga386 2y ago
I was imprecise in saying "the last time", I was aiming for a specific comparison. Also, I'm fairly sure Strafgesetzbuch section 86a is not what bans parties and membership of them, but censors their symbols and imagery. The Basic Law (Grundgesetz) article 21(2) is what bans parties. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany_v._the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany_v._...
- tokai 2y ago
  It was very obviously that you were going for a specific comparison. Thats usually the reason why people misrepresent things. The article literally has a list of political groups that were banned on the basis on the law.
  - amiga386 2y ago
    The article has a list of parties whose symbols were banned by that law. Strafgesetzbuch section 86a bans the symbols of "unconstitutional parties". But what bans the parties? Who decides parties are unconstitutional? That is Grundgesetz article 21(2): Parties that, by reason of their aims or the behaviour of their adherents, seek to undermine or abolish the free democratic basic order or to endanger the existence of the Federal Republic of Germany shall be unconstitutional. The Federal Constitutional Court shall rule on the question of unconstitutionality. Parteien, die nach ihren Zielen oder nach dem Verhalten ihrer Anhänger darauf ausgehen, die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung zu beeinträchtigen oder zu beseitigen oder den Bestand der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zu gefährden, sind verfassungswidrig. Über die Frage der Verfassungswidrigkeit entscheidet das Bundesverfassungsgericht.

by tokai 2y ago

amiga386 2y ago

I was imprecise in saying "the last time", I was aiming for a specific comparison. Also, I'm fairly sure Strafgesetzbuch section 86a is not what bans parties and membership of them, but censors their symbols and imagery. The Basic Law (Grundgesetz) article 21(2) is what bans parties. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany_v._the_Federal_Republic_of_Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Germany_v._...

tokai 2y ago
It was very obviously that you were going for a specific comparison. Thats usually the reason why people misrepresent things. The article literally has a list of political groups that were banned on the basis on the law.
- amiga386 2y ago
  The article has a list of parties whose symbols were banned by that law. Strafgesetzbuch section 86a bans the symbols of "unconstitutional parties". But what bans the parties? Who decides parties are unconstitutional? That is Grundgesetz article 21(2): Parties that, by reason of their aims or the behaviour of their adherents, seek to undermine or abolish the free democratic basic order or to endanger the existence of the Federal Republic of Germany shall be unconstitutional. The Federal Constitutional Court shall rule on the question of unconstitutionality. Parteien, die nach ihren Zielen oder nach dem Verhalten ihrer Anhänger darauf ausgehen, die freiheitliche demokratische Grundordnung zu beeinträchtigen oder zu beseitigen oder den Bestand der Bundesrepublik Deutschland zu gefährden, sind verfassungswidrig. Über die Frage der Verfassungswidrigkeit entscheidet das Bundesverfassungsgericht.