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"uni party" is AFD lingo. And when that "outlet" has, in parts, goals that are incompatible with our constitution, then a discussion (and it's not much more at

"uni party" is AFD lingo. And when that "outlet" has, in parts, goals that are incompatible with our constitution, then a discussion (and it's not much more at this stage) about a Verbotsprozess seems appropriate. To give some more context, the possibility to forbid parties that work against the foundations of our democracy is explicitly defined in the constitution, it is not a purely political move to silence opposition, as your seems to imply.

logicchains 2y ago
I'm curious what goals the AfD has that are incompatible with the German constitution.
- OKRainbowKid 2y ago
  That is gonna be the central question of said process, if it is initiated.
  - logicchains 2y ago
    Sorry, I meant what goals does the AfD have that are alleged to be incompatible with the German constitution.
    - OKRainbowKid 2y ago
      I'm not interested in participating in a discussion on that topic, I'm sure you can find plenty of material using a search engine of your choice. I apologize if you're genuinely interested, but I really have 0 desire to respond to sealioning. EDIT: For starters https://afd-verbot.de/beweise?category=demokratiefeindlichkeit https://afd-verbot.de/beweise?category=demokratiefeindlichke... seems to have a comprehensive list of potential evidence. The site and material are German though.
- mppm 2y ago
  Nothing in particular. European media work hard to paint the AfD as a fringe-right party, but its stated agenda is basically to prioritize national interests. This is something that the current government in Germany has failed at very badly, and the populace is not alltogether blind to this fact. In all recent elections, the AfD is now the top or second party, with 30%+ overall support, despite persistent attempts at political marginalization.
throw1834 2y ago
"Uniparty" is a concise term that English readers are familiar with. Noam Chomsky (far left) uses the same language: https://chomsky.info/20081010/ https://chomsky.info/20081010/ I'm disappointed but not surprised that you are trying to discredit a comment based on a single term that saves a paragraph of explanation. The same tactics that we talk about in this submission.
- komali2 2y ago
  Chomsky, so far as I'm aware, has never written "Uniparty." What he generally seems to be referring to when he says "One Party System" is the enthrallment of the USA government to capitalist interests. "Uniparty," as in that exact word, is very much a Trumpean era creation, brought back into popularity by right wing q-anon aligned USA presidential candidate (I believe candidate?) Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Someone's usage of it generally indicates not that they're an anticapitalist but that they're aligned with this new form of reactionary thinking.
  - throw100321 2y ago
    Chomsky say exactly the same without using the term. What does Wikipedia say? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty "Supporters of the 2000 Green Party presidential bid of Ralph Nader used the term extensively, and Nader himself called the prevailing political structure a 'corporate uniparty' in his 2002 book Crashing the Party." Pinning this term the right is the usual tactic to outlaw the term and remove it from the dictionary.
    - OKRainbowKid 2y ago
      We are now 3 comments deep into talking about the term in the context of the US. The thread and the original comments were about Germany. Can you explain to us how the former relates to the latter? Germany has a much more diverse set of parties. However, terms similar to "uniparty" are used by AFD (and perhaps BSW) to refer to "all the regular" (read: democratic) parties, that they stand in fundamental opposition to.

logicchains 2y ago

I'm curious what goals the AfD has that are incompatible with the German constitution.

OKRainbowKid 2y ago
That is gonna be the central question of said process, if it is initiated.
- logicchains 2y ago
  Sorry, I meant what goals does the AfD have that are alleged to be incompatible with the German constitution.
  - OKRainbowKid 2y ago
    I'm not interested in participating in a discussion on that topic, I'm sure you can find plenty of material using a search engine of your choice. I apologize if you're genuinely interested, but I really have 0 desire to respond to sealioning. EDIT: For starters https://afd-verbot.de/beweise?category=demokratiefeindlichkeit https://afd-verbot.de/beweise?category=demokratiefeindlichke... seems to have a comprehensive list of potential evidence. The site and material are German though.
mppm 2y ago
Nothing in particular. European media work hard to paint the AfD as a fringe-right party, but its stated agenda is basically to prioritize national interests. This is something that the current government in Germany has failed at very badly, and the populace is not alltogether blind to this fact. In all recent elections, the AfD is now the top or second party, with 30%+ overall support, despite persistent attempts at political marginalization.

throw1834 2y ago

"Uniparty" is a concise term that English readers are familiar with. Noam Chomsky (far left) uses the same language: https://chomsky.info/20081010/ https://chomsky.info/20081010/ I'm disappointed but not surprised that you are trying to discredit a comment based on a single term that saves a paragraph of explanation. The same tactics that we talk about in this submission.

komali2 2y ago
Chomsky, so far as I'm aware, has never written "Uniparty." What he generally seems to be referring to when he says "One Party System" is the enthrallment of the USA government to capitalist interests. "Uniparty," as in that exact word, is very much a Trumpean era creation, brought back into popularity by right wing q-anon aligned USA presidential candidate (I believe candidate?) Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Someone's usage of it generally indicates not that they're an anticapitalist but that they're aligned with this new form of reactionary thinking.
- throw100321 2y ago
  Chomsky say exactly the same without using the term. What does Wikipedia say? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniparty "Supporters of the 2000 Green Party presidential bid of Ralph Nader used the term extensively, and Nader himself called the prevailing political structure a 'corporate uniparty' in his 2002 book Crashing the Party." Pinning this term the right is the usual tactic to outlaw the term and remove it from the dictionary.
  - OKRainbowKid 2y ago
    We are now 3 comments deep into talking about the term in the context of the US. The thread and the original comments were about Germany. Can you explain to us how the former relates to the latter? Germany has a much more diverse set of parties. However, terms similar to "uniparty" are used by AFD (and perhaps BSW) to refer to "all the regular" (read: democratic) parties, that they stand in fundamental opposition to.