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And which direction is that? Because I find people are very upset about this until it's used on people they don't like - socialists or fascists - and then they

And which direction is that? Because I find people are very upset about this until it's used on people they don't like - socialists or fascists - and then they are very happy it's being used to 'stop the slide into fascism/communism' until it's used on them again.

rosmax_1337 2y ago
Site guidelines prevent me from elaborating further. Have a good day. :-)
- concordDance 2y ago
  Bringing up immigration is indeed probably a good method of generating a lot of heat and very little light. There are places one can calmly discuss even the most abhorrent of ideas like giving parents the right of infanticide or banning home ownership or requiring parents to swap their baby for a random one without anyone getting heated, but this isn't one of them. Maybe it was 10 years ago? I dunno.
highcountess 2y ago
Yes. The tyrannical clan of the ruling class knows this method very well and uses it to great effect repeatedly and with apparently little to no reaction or pushback. It is not the only method or even class of manipulative and abusive methods. It is basically just a bait and switch at its core. A famous example many here will likely still be able to associate with is “The Patriot act”, which should have really been called “The Hunt Patriots act”; in reality a kind of mop-up operation after the USA has already long ago been functionally and psychologically conquered without the people even realizing it, kind of like how people can one day find themselves wondering how they slid into a very abusive relationship little by little without realizing it or being able to take action to prevent it. The only difference being that many, definitely not most people haven’t even started asking themselves whether they are in an abusive relationship, let alone how they got there. People still haven’t even realized that the whole premise of the EU is a tyrannical and hostile illegitimate imitation government. It has no legitimacy under its own claimed democratic principles, it’s the timeshare fraud of governance; sell a fantasy and good presentation, while reality is a fraudulent and destructive nightmare.
concordDance 2y ago
> Because I find people Are you sure these are the same individuals? I can imagine them being different members of a nebulous group where different people talk louder at different times.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  The justification is that the group they oppose is against the democratic values they espouse and, therefore, must be violently suppressed by any means necessary, in order to protect their democracy. "Communism/socialism" is usually a straw-man used in those cases.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    The last 10 years have seen it become fascism/nazism. One need only quote what Churchill said to see that it's nothing of the sort. Unless of course you think the man who kept the world war against nazism and fascism going for a year by himself was himself a fascist nazi at which point words don't mean anything.
    - rbanffy 2y ago
      > was himself a fascist nazi His reputation in India is not as stellar as you might think.
      - llm_trw 2y ago
        One might ask Indians what Hitler's reputation there would be had he won the war. There is after all a difference between callous indifference and industrial genocide.

rosmax_1337 2y ago

Site guidelines prevent me from elaborating further. Have a good day. :-)

concordDance 2y ago
Bringing up immigration is indeed probably a good method of generating a lot of heat and very little light. There are places one can calmly discuss even the most abhorrent of ideas like giving parents the right of infanticide or banning home ownership or requiring parents to swap their baby for a random one without anyone getting heated, but this isn't one of them. Maybe it was 10 years ago? I dunno.

highcountess 2y ago

Yes. The tyrannical clan of the ruling class knows this method very well and uses it to great effect repeatedly and with apparently little to no reaction or pushback. It is not the only method or even class of manipulative and abusive methods. It is basically just a bait and switch at its core. A famous example many here will likely still be able to associate with is “The Patriot act”, which should have really been called “The Hunt Patriots act”; in reality a kind of mop-up operation after the USA has already long ago been functionally and psychologically conquered without the people even realizing it, kind of like how people can one day find themselves wondering how they slid into a very abusive relationship little by little without realizing it or being able to take action to prevent it. The only difference being that many, definitely not most people haven’t even started asking themselves whether they are in an abusive relationship, let alone how they got there. People still haven’t even realized that the whole premise of the EU is a tyrannical and hostile illegitimate imitation government. It has no legitimacy under its own claimed democratic principles, it’s the timeshare fraud of governance; sell a fantasy and good presentation, while reality is a fraudulent and destructive nightmare.

concordDance 2y ago

> Because I find people Are you sure these are the same individuals? I can imagine them being different members of a nebulous group where different people talk louder at different times.

rbanffy 2y ago
The justification is that the group they oppose is against the democratic values they espouse and, therefore, must be violently suppressed by any means necessary, in order to protect their democracy. "Communism/socialism" is usually a straw-man used in those cases.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  The last 10 years have seen it become fascism/nazism. One need only quote what Churchill said to see that it's nothing of the sort. Unless of course you think the man who kept the world war against nazism and fascism going for a year by himself was himself a fascist nazi at which point words don't mean anything.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    > was himself a fascist nazi His reputation in India is not as stellar as you might think.
    - llm_trw 2y ago
      One might ask Indians what Hitler's reputation there would be had he won the war. There is after all a difference between callous indifference and industrial genocide.