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I've seen this advise from other sources as well: "Spend time outside and get morning light" (In the first hour of getting up). That is a really stupid advise,

I've seen this advise from other sources as well: "Spend time outside and get morning light" (In the first hour of getting up). That is a really stupid advise, it only for a few months a year. The rest of the time it's dark when I get up and will remain dark for more than an hour.

OJFord 2y ago
Maybe it's consistent with hyperfocus on doing things 'naturally' though? Before timekeeping we would've just risen & started work with the sun, gone to bed when it was dark and we tired. I'm not actually advocating that (I kind of like it but it's also a bit incompatible with interacting with a society not living such a way, to varying degrees depending on your job, family, etc.) I just wonder if that would be the author's response - well what are you doing up over an hour before sunrise.
strken 2y ago
Your perceived inability to follow the advice because you live too close to the poles does not mean the advice itself is wrong, and definitely doesn't mean it's stupid. Many people in similar climates to you use sun lamps during winter, for example.
- mrweasel 2y ago
  It's not wrong, but I still think it's stupid, because of how it's normally stated. I've never heard it presented as "if your location allows it" or "We understand that that isn't an option for large parts of the world so here an alternative". People have been living in this part of the world for thousands of years, without sun lamps, it might be good if you can get it, but sun light first thing in the morning certainly isn't a requirement. It might be good thing to do, but as general advise, it's has a pretty obviously flaw. That is NEVER address by the type of people who brings us this advise and to me that hurt credibility. "Get sun light into your eyes first thing in the morning", perfect, I'll just sleep until 10.
  - strken 2y ago
    If I say "it's good to go running a few times a week", do I need to provide alternate advice for people with no legs? Or if I say "a low-sodium diet is healthier", do I need to specify that if you're getting cramps you should go eat some electrolytes? Is the advice bad if I don't cover every single edge case? In my view that's a ridiculous requirement.

OJFord 2y ago

Maybe it's consistent with hyperfocus on doing things 'naturally' though? Before timekeeping we would've just risen & started work with the sun, gone to bed when it was dark and we tired. I'm not actually advocating that (I kind of like it but it's also a bit incompatible with interacting with a society not living such a way, to varying degrees depending on your job, family, etc.) I just wonder if that would be the author's response - well what are you doing up over an hour before sunrise.

strken 2y ago

Your perceived inability to follow the advice because you live too close to the poles does not mean the advice itself is wrong, and definitely doesn't mean it's stupid. Many people in similar climates to you use sun lamps during winter, for example.

mrweasel 2y ago
It's not wrong, but I still think it's stupid, because of how it's normally stated. I've never heard it presented as "if your location allows it" or "We understand that that isn't an option for large parts of the world so here an alternative". People have been living in this part of the world for thousands of years, without sun lamps, it might be good if you can get it, but sun light first thing in the morning certainly isn't a requirement. It might be good thing to do, but as general advise, it's has a pretty obviously flaw. That is NEVER address by the type of people who brings us this advise and to me that hurt credibility. "Get sun light into your eyes first thing in the morning", perfect, I'll just sleep until 10.
- strken 2y ago
  If I say "it's good to go running a few times a week", do I need to provide alternate advice for people with no legs? Or if I say "a low-sodium diet is healthier", do I need to specify that if you're getting cramps you should go eat some electrolytes? Is the advice bad if I don't cover every single edge case? In my view that's a ridiculous requirement.