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"They need to learn the material and how to do their job, not muck around with computers." "They need to learn the material and to do their job, not search the

"They need to learn the material and how to do their job, not muck around with computers." "They need to learn the material and to do their job, not search the Internet."

lm28469 2y ago
If my school focused on teaching me how to use stackoverflow instead of teaching me how to think and solve problems I'd be in deep shit now. Same thing for AI, it's a crutch at best, not a way of doing things, and especially not something you need to focus on while teaching
- danielbln 2y ago
  These are not at odds with one another. Schools should be teaching how to research information and which tools to use and how. That can be literary research, Internet research and yes, ultimately if will have to be how to query language model expert system to solve various problems. You can copy and paste a solution from a book/SO/LLM or you can use it to understand, improve, research and solve various tasks.
rsynnott 2y ago
Ah, yes, what a good idea, classes in how to search the internet. If I’d had those when I was in school, I would now be an expert user of AskJeeves. What a missed opportunity.
- danielbln 2y ago
  There is no need to be snide and dismissive. It is absolutely necessary to learn how to find, disseminate and evaluate information. If the tool of choice is a book index,AskJeeves, Google or ChatGPT - all of these require specific knowledge to get the most out of them. Where do you acquire that knowledge?
  - pjc50 2y ago
    From the tool itself? Especially when the tools are so liable to change at zero notice. It's not the responsibility of the public education system to do product training for megacorps. (People who disagree with this: let's see your syllabus for AI 101 with the guarantee that all its contents will still be valid in 5 years time?)
    - danielbln 2y ago
      That's where you generalize and teach students higher level concepts while merely referencing the tools de joure (same as Wikipedia before).

"They need to learn the material and how to do their job, not muck around with computers." "They need to learn the material and to do their job, not search the Internet."

lm28469 2y ago

If my school focused on teaching me how to use stackoverflow instead of teaching me how to think and solve problems I'd be in deep shit now. Same thing for AI, it's a crutch at best, not a way of doing things, and especially not something you need to focus on while teaching

danielbln 2y ago
These are not at odds with one another. Schools should be teaching how to research information and which tools to use and how. That can be literary research, Internet research and yes, ultimately if will have to be how to query language model expert system to solve various problems. You can copy and paste a solution from a book/SO/LLM or you can use it to understand, improve, research and solve various tasks.

rsynnott 2y ago

Ah, yes, what a good idea, classes in how to search the internet. If I’d had those when I was in school, I would now be an expert user of AskJeeves. What a missed opportunity.

danielbln 2y ago
There is no need to be snide and dismissive. It is absolutely necessary to learn how to find, disseminate and evaluate information. If the tool of choice is a book index,AskJeeves, Google or ChatGPT - all of these require specific knowledge to get the most out of them. Where do you acquire that knowledge?
- pjc50 2y ago
  From the tool itself? Especially when the tools are so liable to change at zero notice. It's not the responsibility of the public education system to do product training for megacorps. (People who disagree with this: let's see your syllabus for AI 101 with the guarantee that all its contents will still be valid in 5 years time?)
  - danielbln 2y ago
    That's where you generalize and teach students higher level concepts while merely referencing the tools de joure (same as Wikipedia before).