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This is accurate if by landlord you mean "the person in whose house you have been squatting without paying rent or signing a lease."

immibis 2y ago
Actually, it's the person who signed a contract with me to give me a free house.
- austhrow743 2y ago
  What is the contract that gives WP Engine the free house?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    The GPL, and WordPress's trademark policy, which up to a week ago stated " The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks and you are free to use it in any way you see fit."
    - commoner 2y ago
      On the other hand, the use of WordPress servers is in no way covered by the GPL. WP Engine can pay for their own servers the same way Bluehost used to.
    - austhrow743 2y ago
      That someone gives you the right to use their code doesn't mean they're required to be a free hosting provider for you.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        Using the resources of the non-profit you control to kneecap a competitor to the for-profit you control makes that a bit more complicated. I think it's obvious WPE wouldn't be in the clear with Matt even if they went and hosted a mirror/cache of the WP.org packages.
        phonon 2y ago
        wp.org is not a non-profit, despite the name. The actual non-profit [1] had expenses of $41k in 2022, which wouldn't come anywhere near paying for wordpress.org infrastructure and personnel. I guess Wordpress is going the RHEL route. You can clone it, but can't use their trademarks or infrastructure. [1] https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/205498932 https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/205...
        ValentineC 2y ago
        > wp.org is not a non-profit, despite the name. Automattic's associate legal counsel begs to differ [1]: > Let’s apply this to the WordPress trademarks (also called simply “marks”). The WordPress Foundation owns the right to use the WordPress marks for non-commercial purposes. It can also sublicense out this right for particular events (e.g., WordCamps) and to people supporting the WordPress project and community. The Foundation also licensed the name WordPress to the non-profit WordPress.org, which runs a website that facilitates access to WordPress-related software. (Take it up with them, not me.) [1] https://automattic.com/2024/10/02/wordpress-trademarks-a-legal-perspective/ https://automattic.com/2024/10/02/wordpress-trademarks-a-leg...
        phonon 2y ago
        The man himself goes into copious detail otherwise! "We could not get wordpress.org being part of the foundation approved by the IRS." https://youtu.be/OUJgahHjAKU?t=342 https://youtu.be/OUJgahHjAKU?t=342
        ValentineC 2y ago
        I think if we're being pedantic about this, we can agree that WordPress.org itself is not a 501(c)(3) entity or similar, or run under such an entity. Automattic's legal team somehow considers it a non-profit though.
        phonon 2y ago
- fastball 2y ago
  WordPress definitely did not sign a contract with WPE to provide free electricity.
- recursive 2y ago
  Not a lawyer, but I think contracts require consideration to be enforceable.

immibis 2y ago

Actually, it's the person who signed a contract with me to give me a free house.

austhrow743 2y ago
What is the contract that gives WP Engine the free house?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  The GPL, and WordPress's trademark policy, which up to a week ago stated " The abbreviation “WP” is not covered by the WordPress trademarks and you are free to use it in any way you see fit."
  - commoner 2y ago
    On the other hand, the use of WordPress servers is in no way covered by the GPL. WP Engine can pay for their own servers the same way Bluehost used to.
  - austhrow743 2y ago
    That someone gives you the right to use their code doesn't mean they're required to be a free hosting provider for you.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      Using the resources of the non-profit you control to kneecap a competitor to the for-profit you control makes that a bit more complicated. I think it's obvious WPE wouldn't be in the clear with Matt even if they went and hosted a mirror/cache of the WP.org packages.
      - phonon 2y ago
        wp.org is not a non-profit, despite the name. The actual non-profit [1] had expenses of $41k in 2022, which wouldn't come anywhere near paying for wordpress.org infrastructure and personnel. I guess Wordpress is going the RHEL route. You can clone it, but can't use their trademarks or infrastructure. [1] https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/205498932 https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/205...
        ValentineC 2y ago
        > wp.org is not a non-profit, despite the name. Automattic's associate legal counsel begs to differ [1]: > Let’s apply this to the WordPress trademarks (also called simply “marks”). The WordPress Foundation owns the right to use the WordPress marks for non-commercial purposes. It can also sublicense out this right for particular events (e.g., WordCamps) and to people supporting the WordPress project and community. The Foundation also licensed the name WordPress to the non-profit WordPress.org, which runs a website that facilitates access to WordPress-related software. (Take it up with them, not me.) [1] https://automattic.com/2024/10/02/wordpress-trademarks-a-legal-perspective/ https://automattic.com/2024/10/02/wordpress-trademarks-a-leg...
        phonon 2y ago
        The man himself goes into copious detail otherwise! "We could not get wordpress.org being part of the foundation approved by the IRS." https://youtu.be/OUJgahHjAKU?t=342 https://youtu.be/OUJgahHjAKU?t=342
        ValentineC 2y ago
        I think if we're being pedantic about this, we can agree that WordPress.org itself is not a 501(c)(3) entity or similar, or run under such an entity. Automattic's legal team somehow considers it a non-profit though.
        phonon 2y ago
fastball 2y ago
WordPress definitely did not sign a contract with WPE to provide free electricity.
recursive 2y ago
Not a lawyer, but I think contracts require consideration to be enforceable.