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You’re welcome to your opinion, but my company is in the market for a large enterprise CMS management contract, and this situation has taken every WordPress opt

You’re welcome to your opinion, but my company is in the market for a large enterprise CMS management contract, and this situation has taken every WordPress option off the table due to uncertainty about the business and technical stability of the ecosystem. I highly doubt we’re the only ones feeling that way.

jameslk 2y ago
What alternatives is your company considering now, if you don’t mind sharing? Genuine question
- geerlingguy 2y ago
  Probably Drupal, maybe Joomla, or maybe something more custom if in PHP-land. Otherwise one of the other CMS / DXP platforms (some require eye-watering enterprise budgets): https://cmscritic.com/key-takeaways-from-gartners-2021-magic-quadrant-for-digital-experience-platforms https://cmscritic.com/key-takeaways-from-gartners-2021-magic...
  - eaton 2y ago
    DXP: When you have nine products, one logo, and a hundred salesbros.
    - geerlingguy 2y ago
      Heh didn't know you were on HN too, this court case is like a bat signal for anyone involved in PHP historically.
      - pbowyer 2y ago
        Isn't it just! Karma comes around.
luckylion 2y ago
If you were considering Wordpress for a "large enterprise CMS", you shouldn't be making those kinds of decisions.
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  Why?
- partiallypro 2y ago
  Can you explain your reasoning? Wordpress is pretty scalable, if done right. Even Microsoft uses Wordpress in some of its microsites. I know some of the new federal government sites even use it (for instance whitehouse.gov as part of the USDS project). It's highly supported and has been tested vigorously for decades now. It can at least be considered for various projects, even large ones. Sometimes you don't need a complex solution for various projects, this thought process reminds me of people building highly scalable configurations for projects that just don't need it then overrunning in costs and overengineering it all.
  - luckylion 2y ago
    > in some of its microsites Exactly. That's not a large scale enterprise CMS. WordPress is fine for that. But if you wanted to do something that requires fine-grained access control, publishing control, audit logs etc, you're not going to use WP, or you're building a CMS on top of WP. I'm doing that all day because I work in an industry that loves WP and everybody knows WP, so it's easy to collaborate. I've built dozens of plugins to accommodate for our various needs because you will hit some hard walls if you scale to large amounts of URLs, and you will run into problems with the code quality in popular plugins when you're going beyond "I just want it to look nice and work okay". I don't hate WP. I'd consider myself a WP veteran, I've worked a lot with WP over the years, I've contributed code to core, I've found various bugs. I wouldn't ever consider it for anything that I'd call "enterprise" or "large". It's like when somebody talks about building an enterprise data management system and then says "the fact that the inventor of the CSV format liked pineapple of pizza will make sure that I won't consider CSV as the data store for my system". If they considered CSV before finding that out, they really shouldn't be making decisions in that type of project.

jameslk 2y ago

What alternatives is your company considering now, if you don’t mind sharing? Genuine question

geerlingguy 2y ago
Probably Drupal, maybe Joomla, or maybe something more custom if in PHP-land. Otherwise one of the other CMS / DXP platforms (some require eye-watering enterprise budgets): https://cmscritic.com/key-takeaways-from-gartners-2021-magic-quadrant-for-digital-experience-platforms https://cmscritic.com/key-takeaways-from-gartners-2021-magic...
- eaton 2y ago
  DXP: When you have nine products, one logo, and a hundred salesbros.
  - geerlingguy 2y ago
    Heh didn't know you were on HN too, this court case is like a bat signal for anyone involved in PHP historically.
    - pbowyer 2y ago
      Isn't it just! Karma comes around.

luckylion 2y ago

If you were considering Wordpress for a "large enterprise CMS", you shouldn't be making those kinds of decisions.

paulryanrogers 2y ago
Why?
partiallypro 2y ago
Can you explain your reasoning? Wordpress is pretty scalable, if done right. Even Microsoft uses Wordpress in some of its microsites. I know some of the new federal government sites even use it (for instance whitehouse.gov as part of the USDS project). It's highly supported and has been tested vigorously for decades now. It can at least be considered for various projects, even large ones. Sometimes you don't need a complex solution for various projects, this thought process reminds me of people building highly scalable configurations for projects that just don't need it then overrunning in costs and overengineering it all.
- luckylion 2y ago
  > in some of its microsites Exactly. That's not a large scale enterprise CMS. WordPress is fine for that. But if you wanted to do something that requires fine-grained access control, publishing control, audit logs etc, you're not going to use WP, or you're building a CMS on top of WP. I'm doing that all day because I work in an industry that loves WP and everybody knows WP, so it's easy to collaborate. I've built dozens of plugins to accommodate for our various needs because you will hit some hard walls if you scale to large amounts of URLs, and you will run into problems with the code quality in popular plugins when you're going beyond "I just want it to look nice and work okay". I don't hate WP. I'd consider myself a WP veteran, I've worked a lot with WP over the years, I've contributed code to core, I've found various bugs. I wouldn't ever consider it for anything that I'd call "enterprise" or "large". It's like when somebody talks about building an enterprise data management system and then says "the fact that the inventor of the CSV format liked pineapple of pizza will make sure that I won't consider CSV as the data store for my system". If they considered CSV before finding that out, they really shouldn't be making decisions in that type of project.