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Don't lawyers usually advise their clients to stop talking about it when they're sued? Or is that one of those cliches that isn't true
by Kye 2y ago
Don't lawyers usually advise their clients to stop talking about it when they're sued? Or is that one of those cliches that isn't true
- elicksaur 2y agoDefinitely true and all of his communication - this thread, he’s given some interviews, etc. is very odd for a legal strategy.
- flutas 2y agoRight, this all feels like (and I'm not trying to be rude with this, I'm speaking from experience) a mental break. Or he's got some sort of vendetta that he feels burning everything down is worth it over. Some of his comments from the other day on reddit have already been used in this very lawsuit, you'd think he would know to shut the hell up at this point if it's #2.
- riffic 2y agocould even be a little from column A, a little from column B
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- spondylosaurus 2y agoI don't even know if it's a vendetta about WP specifically or just the result of his general disposition. About a year ago he had an embarrassing public meltdown after some random Tumblr users talked shit about him because they didn't like his moderation policies. Banning people, then publicly shaming them, then replying to their posts on other social media sites...
- extraduder_ire 2y ago> some random Tumblr users talked shit about him because they didn't like his moderation policies Was that the hammers thing, or something else?
- duskwuff 2y agoThat would be the infamous "car covered in hammers", yes. And it was from February this year - time flies (like a hammer).
- zo1 2y agoMy take is this is 100% someone sticking to a naive worldview because they are smart and logical (and I don't doubt that they are). But the world doesn't work like that. And as much as I hate to admit it, these WPE people are playing the game and just baiting and provoking a response from him. They're like schoolyard bullies that poke and wave hands inches from your face, then cry foul to principal Government when you rightfully retaliate. As much as a smart and "fair" person would think this is a reasonable and logical response, the principal does not think so. They will look at the rules, say "a ha, you broke rule 3(a) and hit someone", and then send you to detention. No amount of if, buts, and logical "reasons" will matter at that point.
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- vundercind 2y agoThere’s a whole-ass archetype among founder-owners of successful companies who stick with them long-term, that looks like this. It’s not all of them, by any means, but it’s definitely one sort. In ordinary circumstances it manifests as a preference for maintaining control over making moves that might, by some measures, be better (improving business success, or limiting liability, say) and a string of quiet and maybe fishy-seeming but not exactly red-flag dust-ups; when a big enough obstacle (especially to that whole “control” thing) shows up and throwing their weight around can’t make it go away, though, things can get real dicey.
- agrocrag 2y agoIt feels and looks very similar to when things weren't going well for SBF. Never really stopped talking to the press, giving interviews, etc.
- bagels 2y agoIt's probably not a legal strategy. Everything becomes evidence that your opponent can use. You don't want them to have more of that.
- DannyBee 2y agoLawyer here - we do. For very good reason. A. Legally, it cannot possibly help you (whatever happened, happened). However, it can hurt you (inconsistent statements, etc). This is particularly true in colloquial environments like HN. B. While it may be useful reputation/press wise, because anything you do wil be evidence, you should be having someone else do that. C. If you are part of a publicly traded company, you can run into SEC violations quickly from what you say, how you say it, and where you say it. Even moreso if you are CEO/an officer/etc I could go on forever here - for example, you can also run yourself into trouble quickly if the people you are talking to are people you know may be witnesses in the case, etc. There is a near infinite number of reasons lawyers tell people to STFU when you get sued. Of course, if your company/you as CEO get sued, it can obviously be incredibly frustrating and difficult to sit there and watch a one-sided story take hold - not the least of reasons because people often take complaints as evidence rather than assertions, and the response rarely gets as much press, etc. I think the closest lots of HNers come is when they love their company and see a legal complaint pop up on HN that they felt is just insane but can't say anything about it. It's like that, but like 100x worse :P. But saying nothing is the most useful thing you can do - get away from it. Take a walk, meditate, whatever. Get the people who are experts in handling it involved (lawyers, comms folks, whatever), and let them do their job. I'm going to do him the favor of not responding to anything else he writes in this thread for his own good.
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- rtpg 2y agoI have seen a couple founders post to HN like this during legal action. Its embarrassing, even if I enjoy reading the content. Of course its possible that these posts are happening through consultation with a lawyer/PR or something but often it feels like someone using their “inside” voice in the outside, and reads like unforced errors.
- knowitnone 2y agothey do and smart people listen
- ookblah 2y agohonestly, just read this and his initial post about the whole issue (content is "sacred" or whatever) and it's clear he's semi-deluded himself into thinking he has massive support and/or more important in the grand scheme of things than he actually is. burned so many bridges and still won't concede anything.
- serial_dev 2y agoI believe they do, but in the end it’s on the client to decide what they do. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these comments here make it to some of the legal documents we will be reading in the future. I assume some ignore this advice either because they think they are right, or they are unhinged and they think they know better than everyone. I’m here for it all, whichever may be the case.
- vasco 2y agoEvery once in a while there's someone who's smarter than everyone else and keeps talking. SBF from FTX famously was giving interviews to whoever would listen. https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/ftx-founder-keeps-talking-ignoring-typical-legal-strategy/articleshow/97776787.cms https://m.economictimes.com/tech/technology/ftx-founder-keep... > The atypical chattiness for a criminal defendant is likely causing Bankman-Fried's attorneys to scratch their heads, or worse. Prosecutors can use any statements, tweets or other communications against him at his trial, which is scheduled for October. > Prosecutors love when defendants shoot their mouths off," said Daniel R. Alonso, a former federal prosecutor who is now a white-collar criminal defense attorney. If Bankman-Fried's public comments before trial can be proven false during the trial, it may undermine his credibility with a jury, he said.
- malthaus 2y agogiven the previously disclosed communication style, do you think he cares?
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- rpgbr 2y agoSome people are so arrogant they believe to know better than anyone and start screwing everything by themselves.
- berniedurfee 2y agoI think common decency should have been considered here regardless of what a lawyer would say to do or not to do. Yuck.
- throw16180339 2y agoHis past actions make it clear that he's ignoring legal advice.