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If it's any three things, it's about money, money, and money. Zooming out a bit, Automattic acquired Tumblr and like all those before it seems to be choking on

If it's any three things, it's about money, money, and money. Zooming out a bit, Automattic acquired Tumblr and like all those before it seems to be choking on it. Competitors like Wix, Squarespace, WebFlow and Shopify are all nipping at WordPress' marketshare. I don't know what WordPress.com's stats look like, but blogging is out of sytle. New cool kids want the new black. That is to be social media influencers. Along the same lines, the WordPress Community is "aging out". Events online or off there's too little "youth" engaged and excited about the product. In shoet, the pie isn't what it once was. Matt looked around the room, saw deep pockets (i.e., WP Engine) and made a go for it. That was a poor decision. Seeing himself as a cult leader who would get unwavering support from his cult (aka The WordPress Community) was another mistake. People are fatigued and enough them have stopped drinking his Kool Aid. There are pockets of support but certainly not what it used to be. Many WP people are anxious to move on from the Mattopoly.

pier25 2y ago
> blogging is out of sytle OTOH maybe the majority of WP users are not blogging. It's anecdotal but I know about a dozen WP users first-hand (and maintain a couple of those installations) and none of them use it for blogging. It's mostly for marketing websites and shops with WooCommerce.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  That's .org version of WP. WP.com - Automattic's bread & butter - was the big 2nd gen blogging platform. Yes, agreed WooComm is new. Nonetheless, social media'ing has replaced "I got a website" and "I got a blog."
  - safety1st 2y ago
    Whatever else may be going on, your observations contain errors. Automattic has been on an insane revenue growth tear for years. WordPress install growth out in the wild has been flat for two years but not ticked down, when 43% of the Internet runs your software there are probably a lot of reasons it's hard to grow that number. In general, companies in this vertical are not really hurting. https://getlatka.com/companies/automattic https://getlatka.com/companies/automattic https://www.wpzoom.com/blog/wordpress-statistics/ https://www.wpzoom.com/blog/wordpress-statistics/ Data = good; facts = good
    - chiefalchemist 2y ago
      "Insane" revenue growth in the past. The question is: What's going on in Matt's head? What does he see in the future? Truth: Belief drives behavior. To go nuclear as MM did, what is he believing? What is his future like? But you picked a good word: insane. So yeah, we're on the same page. The difference is direction. Past v future.
      - Loudergood 2y ago
        Considering he's gone nuclear for dumber reasons in the past(see Tumblr) what he sees and reality are probably far different.
  - zambiboy 2y ago
    > Automattic's bread & butter - was the big 2nd gen blogging platform Its not. Its used for everything from marketing websites to ecommerce. CNN, Reuters etc have their blogs run on it too.
    - chiefalchemist 2y ago
      That is the .org version. It should not be confused with .com version.
      - chrismmccomas 2y ago
        I'm pretty sure CNN and Reuters are actually on WPVIP, which is basically the enterprise version of .com and belongs to the same parent company as .com.
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- bigiain 2y ago
  Work has about 25 clients who use WordPress. Not a single one of them "blogs". WordPress is a decent-enough CMS, all those clients are just running websites they can edit themselves. The big advantage of offering them WordPress if having a huge talent pool of people they can contract or employ who know how to publish using it, and a huge wealth of readily available tutorials and training material for them too learn how to do that themselves.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  Do they have News that gets updated as the voice of the brand? That's a blog. Do they have a portfolio of work that gets updated as the work of the brand? That's a blog. What about case studies? Any ongoing activity that's add to the site in a "social update" sort of way is effectively the blog. That's been WP original idenity. As you noted, that's not a priority any more. Now tools like Shopify, WebFlow, etc *in the eyes of the market* have parity. And while Matt went all in on Gutenberg / Blocks there were already a number of page builders. Blocks is not gaining traction. It was a *horrible* product rollout. So what's WP's and Automattic's identity now? Extortionist?? Certainly looks that way. Ugly but true.
3np 2y ago
> People are fatigued I think this is significant. As I caught up on this conversation I've seen it interwoven with saltiness about "The Block Editor", which I understand is a new WYSIWYG editor replacing the classic editor under deprecation and which an increasing part of the community have been feeling alienated and forced by. It's been Matt's baby and WP hasn't been taking the community feedback to heart.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  Yup. There is a lack of faith in the leadership, and it's spreading. Still plenty of Kool Aid drinking, but far less fear about speaking out People took time off and spent money to go to WordCamp US. MM used his keynote to shit on a prominent entity in the ecosystem. And entity many people know, use and love. There was no need to go nuclear at that event, using that keynote. Either someone said "No Matt, this isn't a good time" and he ignored them. Or no one close to him stood up to say anything. Both of these scenarios are ugly.
rodgerd 2y ago
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handzhiev 2y ago
I can hardly imagine anyone being in cult with WP. People use it because of the huge ecosystem around it and the accessible talent pool. One can hardly be impressed by the tech itself - in fact almost everyone thinks it sucks.

pier25 2y ago

> blogging is out of sytle OTOH maybe the majority of WP users are not blogging. It's anecdotal but I know about a dozen WP users first-hand (and maintain a couple of those installations) and none of them use it for blogging. It's mostly for marketing websites and shops with WooCommerce.

chiefalchemist 2y ago
That's .org version of WP. WP.com - Automattic's bread & butter - was the big 2nd gen blogging platform. Yes, agreed WooComm is new. Nonetheless, social media'ing has replaced "I got a website" and "I got a blog."
- safety1st 2y ago
  Whatever else may be going on, your observations contain errors. Automattic has been on an insane revenue growth tear for years. WordPress install growth out in the wild has been flat for two years but not ticked down, when 43% of the Internet runs your software there are probably a lot of reasons it's hard to grow that number. In general, companies in this vertical are not really hurting. https://getlatka.com/companies/automattic https://getlatka.com/companies/automattic https://www.wpzoom.com/blog/wordpress-statistics/ https://www.wpzoom.com/blog/wordpress-statistics/ Data = good; facts = good
  - chiefalchemist 2y ago
    "Insane" revenue growth in the past. The question is: What's going on in Matt's head? What does he see in the future? Truth: Belief drives behavior. To go nuclear as MM did, what is he believing? What is his future like? But you picked a good word: insane. So yeah, we're on the same page. The difference is direction. Past v future.
    - Loudergood 2y ago
      Considering he's gone nuclear for dumber reasons in the past(see Tumblr) what he sees and reality are probably far different.
- zambiboy 2y ago
  > Automattic's bread & butter - was the big 2nd gen blogging platform Its not. Its used for everything from marketing websites to ecommerce. CNN, Reuters etc have their blogs run on it too.
  - chiefalchemist 2y ago
    That is the .org version. It should not be confused with .com version.
    - chrismmccomas 2y ago
      I'm pretty sure CNN and Reuters are actually on WPVIP, which is basically the enterprise version of .com and belongs to the same parent company as .com.
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bigiain 2y ago
Work has about 25 clients who use WordPress. Not a single one of them "blogs". WordPress is a decent-enough CMS, all those clients are just running websites they can edit themselves. The big advantage of offering them WordPress if having a huge talent pool of people they can contract or employ who know how to publish using it, and a huge wealth of readily available tutorials and training material for them too learn how to do that themselves.
chiefalchemist 2y ago
Do they have News that gets updated as the voice of the brand? That's a blog. Do they have a portfolio of work that gets updated as the work of the brand? That's a blog. What about case studies? Any ongoing activity that's add to the site in a "social update" sort of way is effectively the blog. That's been WP original idenity. As you noted, that's not a priority any more. Now tools like Shopify, WebFlow, etc *in the eyes of the market* have parity. And while Matt went all in on Gutenberg / Blocks there were already a number of page builders. Blocks is not gaining traction. It was a *horrible* product rollout. So what's WP's and Automattic's identity now? Extortionist?? Certainly looks that way. Ugly but true.

3np 2y ago

> People are fatigued I think this is significant. As I caught up on this conversation I've seen it interwoven with saltiness about "The Block Editor", which I understand is a new WYSIWYG editor replacing the classic editor under deprecation and which an increasing part of the community have been feeling alienated and forced by. It's been Matt's baby and WP hasn't been taking the community feedback to heart.

chiefalchemist 2y ago
Yup. There is a lack of faith in the leadership, and it's spreading. Still plenty of Kool Aid drinking, but far less fear about speaking out People took time off and spent money to go to WordCamp US. MM used his keynote to shit on a prominent entity in the ecosystem. And entity many people know, use and love. There was no need to go nuclear at that event, using that keynote. Either someone said "No Matt, this isn't a good time" and he ignored them. Or no one close to him stood up to say anything. Both of these scenarios are ugly.

rodgerd 2y ago

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handzhiev 2y ago

I can hardly imagine anyone being in cult with WP. People use it because of the huge ecosystem around it and the accessible talent pool. One can hardly be impressed by the tech itself - in fact almost everyone thinks it sucks.