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How to Renovate Your Home for a Billion Children

23 points by laurex 2y ago

brudgers 2y ago
https://archive.ph/rYKHT https://archive.ph/rYKHT
- m3kw9 2y ago
  These people that posts these links is what makes HN extra good
neaden 2y ago
"If you’ve been on TikTok at any point in the past six months, chances are you’ve stumbled across them, as I first did during a fairly routine doomscroll one night this summer." I think this shows the TikTok algorithm makes things look more ubiquitous then they really are, I've never seen anything like this, and half the time when I mention what seems to me to be a big meme like demure and mindful to someone else i know whose on TikTok they'll have no idea what I'm talking about.
- htk 2y ago
  Absolutely, that's why I believe politics are the way they are right now, people see content that's more and more extreme of their preferred side and they believe that's the complete representation of the situation, the truth. This makes it hard to take someone else on the opposite side seriously, let alone have a conversation.
  - dpkirchner 2y ago
    In a lot of cases -- at least in every case I care about -- the opposite side is so different that it is indeed hard to have conversation with them. I don't think this is the result of an algorithm, I think the algorithm just reflects reality. For example, I believe people should be able to use a doctor to get healthcare, and they believe the government should prevent that. There's no middle ground there, it's a boolean.
    - giantg2 2y ago
      Is this meant to be ironic? The example given is a great example of the sort of extremist strawmanning meant to warp people's views to promote a boolean mindset on the issue.
      - dpkirchner 2y ago
        No, not ironic. One side says the government should be involved in the decision (and may tell you that you can't get care). The other says it's up to you. There's no third option.
        giantg2 2y ago
        I know of no proposals that don't involve the government regulation of care. The government can mandate treatment just as they can ban treatments in any of the systems. There are a variety of proposed systems that display these properties to varying degrees.
        BobaFloutist 2y ago
        You can frame it however you want, but there's no common ground between the abortion position of even mainstream Republican politicians and the position of the typical Democratic voter.
        giantg2 2y ago
        That's because the real root questions have been hidden under all the political games. Now we will likely never get answers to these because of how perverted the debate has become. The issue philosophical boils down to 1) what defines a human life, and 2) when is it acceptable to kill.
        dpkirchner 2y ago
        If this were merely a philosophical debate then yeah, we could have a lively discussion to come up with some answers that would satisfy us individually. We probably wouldn't all agree and that'd be OK. But IMO the debate is not really about that -- it's about what we do based on the answer to those questions. It's about what governments can force upon people. Should they be allowed to imprison you if those that write laws believe in something without hard evidence and for which harm is likely unprovable?
  - giantg2 2y ago
    I think the big problem is that people use social media and other highly biased sources for important information (political, health, etc). In theory, school reports and experiments requiring citations are supposed to demonstrate the way to scrutinize and select sources of information. It seems that's mostly lost though.
  - jmyeet 2y ago
    The argument that social media is responsible for political polarization is reductive and ahistorical. It ignores the thousands of years of division that we've had along ethnic and religious lines. What we have now is simply the peak of a longstanding trend that's older than the United States: it's white supremacy. That's all it is. Anti-immigrant hysteria? White nativism and white chauvinism. These things are manifesting now because of deteriorating material conditions and longstanding beliefs, not because of social media (eg [1]). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew
    - totallykvothe 2y ago
      Case in point
    - AlexandrB 2y ago
      You contradict yourself very quickly. If we're at "the peak", how did we get there? Couldn't social media be a factor? Moreover, the idea that white supremacy is at its peak right now is ridiculous and ahistorical in its own right. It's also massively disrespectful to those who lived through things like chattel slavery or the holocaust. To say that seeing some loudmouth spout off on Twitter is worse than either of those is pretty gross.
      - jmyeet 2y ago
        I should be more specific. By "peaking" I mean a local optimum rather than a global optimum. I would liken it to the reaction of, say, the civil rights era. Put another way: the civil rights era (particularly desegregation) caused a reaction by those who resisted progress and sought to reinstate their desired social order. What we've seen in the last 10-20 years is a similar reaction to improvements in the rights for various minorities. Combine this with poor material conditions and you have a recipe for reactionary attitudes and violence. There are many parallels between now and 1930s Germany. The Great Depression hit Germany hard so there's your declining material conditions. One of the earliest targets of the Nazis was what's likely the world's first transgender clinic, Berlin's Institute for Sexual Research [1], complete with book burnings. We also have increasing nationalistic sentiment, currently with the completely invented anti-immigration crime hysteria. Also in common: this idea of moral decay. Then with "cultural Bolshevism" [2], now with "cultural Marxism" [3]. And the Great Replacement [4]. What's required is a normalized belief system and the right material conditions for this radicalization and polarization to spread. Social media is, well, a medium. It cannot replace or create either of those conditions. It's like blaming radicalization in earlier times on the existence of the printing press. [1]: https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/6-may-1933-looting-of-the-institute-of-sexology/ https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/6-may-1933-looting-of-the-in... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... [4]: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-is-the-great-replacement-what-are-its-origins-2022-05-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-is-the-great-replaceme...
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mistermann 2y ago
As someone who's watched tons of these videos, now I know! I've always wanted to try the software, too bad the author never tracked it down.
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dvh 2y ago
Does anybody have a example video instead of thousands words because I quite can't imagine what is he talking about
- spencerflem 2y ago
  https://youtu.be/BVY20VI259Y?feature=shared https://youtu.be/BVY20VI259Y?feature=shared They get repetitive quick
- rolfan 2y ago
  The title of the article refers to this video. https://youtu.be/6PJxc2B0G0M https://youtu.be/6PJxc2B0G0M I believe the YouTube channel is owned by the original creators.
mmastrac 2y ago
Tiktok is the worst of the brain-rotting social media products our world has produced, and that's saying a lot. I spent many years in the early days of social media building: starting at StumbleUpon, working on early Facebook apps, building companies in the space. It always felt that social media was an unstoppable train, but it seems like the benefits of connecting everyone together outweighed the negatives: the constant address book spamming, content designed to be viral rather than informative, etc. I suppose that's it's really just the distilled, pure dopamine lever part of all the early stuff we built with everything else stripped out. It was always inevitable that the culture of optimization would strip out the humanity, I suppose. EDIT: The replies to this comment really have an "I'm not addicted, you just don't understand it" vibe.
- jmyeet 2y ago
  Tiktok is what you consume and IMHO it's far better at this than any other social media. It can be as simple as watching a video that is a "part 1" and if you watch the whole thing, your fyp will almost certainly show you "part 2" without you having to do anything. Your fyp quickly becomes whatever you interact with. I have gone down so many rabbit holes this way like medical residency Tiktok. I'm not a doctor. I won't ever be a doctor. Do I find this fascinating? Absolutely. Same with, say, people rescuing dogs. Every other platform I've seen is "global" in the sense that all they really end up doing is pushing their top creators down your throat. Tiktok it seems is the only one that has successfully "localized" their content such that there are top creators on Tiktok that I have never seen a video from. So I'm not sure where this idea that "Tiktok is extreme brainrot" comes from. If you're seeing garbage on Tiktok, I suspect you either barely or have never used Tiktok.
- blfr 2y ago
  TikTok shows you exactly what you like. Which seems like the reason it's both heavily watched and reviled. My FYP feed is full of golden retrievers, lifting tips, and popsci with some news and comedy/couples sketches thrown in. They even finally learned not to show dancing chicks. And you can even enable special STEM feed. However, these seem to be largely clips of videos I like more in full on Youtube. And there is a patchset for TikTok on ReVanvced[1] which allows you to filter out ads, live shows, stories, etc. [1] https://revanced.app/patches?pkg=com.zhiliaoapp.musically https://revanced.app/patches?pkg=com.zhiliaoapp.musically
qingcharles 2y ago
If you like this article, it's written by Ryan Broderick the guy behind Garbage Day, a newsletter I can't recommend highly enough if you spend rather too much time online: https://www.garbageday.email/ https://www.garbageday.email/
csmpltn 2y ago
Let's get serious for a second here. You have to be a complete braindead zombie to find those videos entertaining. I can't believe anybody is wasting their time on these.
- lainga 2y ago
  Did you RTFA? "This jaundiced real-estate porn is meant to satirize the housing crunch in cities like Hong Kong and Shanghai, and the commenters are all in on the joke" I come from a cultural background such that I clued in on this when I first encountered the videos. Is the joke overplayed now? Definitely - but it's not braindead, it's equal parts over-the-top satire and wish fulfilment (if ONLY you could knock out your building's walls and extend your coffin apartment, Kowloon Walled City-style)
- cobertos 2y ago
  The mixture of the narrator + common elements between each one (galvanized square steel) + the weird corporatized animations and it all knowing it is satire is what makes it so funny. Other people have made their own versions [0], which sort of shows all their elements of the meme transplanted into a different context (furry, in this case). [0]: https://x.com/i/status/1804207289517359223 https://x.com/i/status/1804207289517359223
petesergeant 2y ago
Ever closer to not needing a human in the loop. AI builds the videos, popularity acts as the genetic signal, and we keep fuzzing humans brains

23 points by laurex 2y ago

brudgers 2y ago

https://archive.ph/rYKHT https://archive.ph/rYKHT

m3kw9 2y ago
These people that posts these links is what makes HN extra good

neaden 2y ago

"If you’ve been on TikTok at any point in the past six months, chances are you’ve stumbled across them, as I first did during a fairly routine doomscroll one night this summer." I think this shows the TikTok algorithm makes things look more ubiquitous then they really are, I've never seen anything like this, and half the time when I mention what seems to me to be a big meme like demure and mindful to someone else i know whose on TikTok they'll have no idea what I'm talking about.

htk 2y ago
Absolutely, that's why I believe politics are the way they are right now, people see content that's more and more extreme of their preferred side and they believe that's the complete representation of the situation, the truth. This makes it hard to take someone else on the opposite side seriously, let alone have a conversation.
- dpkirchner 2y ago
  In a lot of cases -- at least in every case I care about -- the opposite side is so different that it is indeed hard to have conversation with them. I don't think this is the result of an algorithm, I think the algorithm just reflects reality. For example, I believe people should be able to use a doctor to get healthcare, and they believe the government should prevent that. There's no middle ground there, it's a boolean.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    Is this meant to be ironic? The example given is a great example of the sort of extremist strawmanning meant to warp people's views to promote a boolean mindset on the issue.
    - dpkirchner 2y ago
      No, not ironic. One side says the government should be involved in the decision (and may tell you that you can't get care). The other says it's up to you. There's no third option.
      - giantg2 2y ago
        I know of no proposals that don't involve the government regulation of care. The government can mandate treatment just as they can ban treatments in any of the systems. There are a variety of proposed systems that display these properties to varying degrees.
        BobaFloutist 2y ago
        You can frame it however you want, but there's no common ground between the abortion position of even mainstream Republican politicians and the position of the typical Democratic voter.
        giantg2 2y ago
        That's because the real root questions have been hidden under all the political games. Now we will likely never get answers to these because of how perverted the debate has become. The issue philosophical boils down to 1) what defines a human life, and 2) when is it acceptable to kill.
        dpkirchner 2y ago
        If this were merely a philosophical debate then yeah, we could have a lively discussion to come up with some answers that would satisfy us individually. We probably wouldn't all agree and that'd be OK. But IMO the debate is not really about that -- it's about what we do based on the answer to those questions. It's about what governments can force upon people. Should they be allowed to imprison you if those that write laws believe in something without hard evidence and for which harm is likely unprovable?
- giantg2 2y ago
  I think the big problem is that people use social media and other highly biased sources for important information (political, health, etc). In theory, school reports and experiments requiring citations are supposed to demonstrate the way to scrutinize and select sources of information. It seems that's mostly lost though.
- jmyeet 2y ago
  The argument that social media is responsible for political polarization is reductive and ahistorical. It ignores the thousands of years of division that we've had along ethnic and religious lines. What we have now is simply the peak of a longstanding trend that's older than the United States: it's white supremacy. That's all it is. Anti-immigrant hysteria? White nativism and white chauvinism. These things are manifesting now because of deteriorating material conditions and longstanding beliefs, not because of social media (eg [1]). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_International_Jew
  - totallykvothe 2y ago
    Case in point
  - AlexandrB 2y ago
    You contradict yourself very quickly. If we're at "the peak", how did we get there? Couldn't social media be a factor? Moreover, the idea that white supremacy is at its peak right now is ridiculous and ahistorical in its own right. It's also massively disrespectful to those who lived through things like chattel slavery or the holocaust. To say that seeing some loudmouth spout off on Twitter is worse than either of those is pretty gross.
    - jmyeet 2y ago
      I should be more specific. By "peaking" I mean a local optimum rather than a global optimum. I would liken it to the reaction of, say, the civil rights era. Put another way: the civil rights era (particularly desegregation) caused a reaction by those who resisted progress and sought to reinstate their desired social order. What we've seen in the last 10-20 years is a similar reaction to improvements in the rights for various minorities. Combine this with poor material conditions and you have a recipe for reactionary attitudes and violence. There are many parallels between now and 1930s Germany. The Great Depression hit Germany hard so there's your declining material conditions. One of the earliest targets of the Nazis was what's likely the world's first transgender clinic, Berlin's Institute for Sexual Research [1], complete with book burnings. We also have increasing nationalistic sentiment, currently with the completely invented anti-immigration crime hysteria. Also in common: this idea of moral decay. Then with "cultural Bolshevism" [2], now with "cultural Marxism" [3]. And the Great Replacement [4]. What's required is a normalized belief system and the right material conditions for this radicalization and polarization to spread. Social media is, well, a medium. It cannot replace or create either of those conditions. It's like blaming radicalization in earlier times on the existence of the printing press. [1]: https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/6-may-1933-looting-of-the-institute-of-sexology/ https://www.hmd.org.uk/resource/6-may-1933-looting-of-the-in... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Bolshevism [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... [4]: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-is-the-great-replacement-what-are-its-origins-2022-05-16/ https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-is-the-great-replaceme...
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mistermann 2y ago

As someone who's watched tons of these videos, now I know! I've always wanted to try the software, too bad the author never tracked it down.

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dvh 2y ago

Does anybody have a example video instead of thousands words because I quite can't imagine what is he talking about

spencerflem 2y ago
https://youtu.be/BVY20VI259Y?feature=shared https://youtu.be/BVY20VI259Y?feature=shared They get repetitive quick
rolfan 2y ago
The title of the article refers to this video. https://youtu.be/6PJxc2B0G0M https://youtu.be/6PJxc2B0G0M I believe the YouTube channel is owned by the original creators.

mmastrac 2y ago

Tiktok is the worst of the brain-rotting social media products our world has produced, and that's saying a lot. I spent many years in the early days of social media building: starting at StumbleUpon, working on early Facebook apps, building companies in the space. It always felt that social media was an unstoppable train, but it seems like the benefits of connecting everyone together outweighed the negatives: the constant address book spamming, content designed to be viral rather than informative, etc. I suppose that's it's really just the distilled, pure dopamine lever part of all the early stuff we built with everything else stripped out. It was always inevitable that the culture of optimization would strip out the humanity, I suppose. EDIT: The replies to this comment really have an "I'm not addicted, you just don't understand it" vibe.

jmyeet 2y ago
Tiktok is what you consume and IMHO it's far better at this than any other social media. It can be as simple as watching a video that is a "part 1" and if you watch the whole thing, your fyp will almost certainly show you "part 2" without you having to do anything. Your fyp quickly becomes whatever you interact with. I have gone down so many rabbit holes this way like medical residency Tiktok. I'm not a doctor. I won't ever be a doctor. Do I find this fascinating? Absolutely. Same with, say, people rescuing dogs. Every other platform I've seen is "global" in the sense that all they really end up doing is pushing their top creators down your throat. Tiktok it seems is the only one that has successfully "localized" their content such that there are top creators on Tiktok that I have never seen a video from. So I'm not sure where this idea that "Tiktok is extreme brainrot" comes from. If you're seeing garbage on Tiktok, I suspect you either barely or have never used Tiktok.
blfr 2y ago
TikTok shows you exactly what you like. Which seems like the reason it's both heavily watched and reviled. My FYP feed is full of golden retrievers, lifting tips, and popsci with some news and comedy/couples sketches thrown in. They even finally learned not to show dancing chicks. And you can even enable special STEM feed. However, these seem to be largely clips of videos I like more in full on Youtube. And there is a patchset for TikTok on ReVanvced[1] which allows you to filter out ads, live shows, stories, etc. [1] https://revanced.app/patches?pkg=com.zhiliaoapp.musically https://revanced.app/patches?pkg=com.zhiliaoapp.musically

qingcharles 2y ago

If you like this article, it's written by Ryan Broderick the guy behind Garbage Day, a newsletter I can't recommend highly enough if you spend rather too much time online: https://www.garbageday.email/ https://www.garbageday.email/

csmpltn 2y ago

Let's get serious for a second here. You have to be a complete braindead zombie to find those videos entertaining. I can't believe anybody is wasting their time on these.

lainga 2y ago
Did you RTFA? "This jaundiced real-estate porn is meant to satirize the housing crunch in cities like Hong Kong and Shanghai, and the commenters are all in on the joke" I come from a cultural background such that I clued in on this when I first encountered the videos. Is the joke overplayed now? Definitely - but it's not braindead, it's equal parts over-the-top satire and wish fulfilment (if ONLY you could knock out your building's walls and extend your coffin apartment, Kowloon Walled City-style)
cobertos 2y ago
The mixture of the narrator + common elements between each one (galvanized square steel) + the weird corporatized animations and it all knowing it is satire is what makes it so funny. Other people have made their own versions [0], which sort of shows all their elements of the meme transplanted into a different context (furry, in this case). [0]: https://x.com/i/status/1804207289517359223 https://x.com/i/status/1804207289517359223

petesergeant 2y ago

Ever closer to not needing a human in the loop. AI builds the videos, popularity acts as the genetic signal, and we keep fuzzing humans brains