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Not a fan of Boeing, but doesn't it make sense to not pay for the health insurance of employees refusing to work? If they are not fulfilling their obligations,

by teom 2y ago

Not a fan of Boeing, but doesn't it make sense to not pay for the health insurance of employees refusing to work? If they are not fulfilling their obligations, why should Boeing fulfill theirs?

truculent 2y ago
Sure, why give health insurance at all?
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Thank you for highlighting why employer provided healthcare is used to control workers. Universal healthcare would prevent this control. Is my Social Security tied to my employer? It is not, it is centrally, federally managed and provided for. Just like Medicare. But to your specific point, yes, it makes sense for them to use worker's healthcare needs to attempt to force them to concede, from a cold game theory perspective. I hope folks will see workers in the same light if workers are able to find additional corporate weaknesses to exploit. Boeing is losing $100M-$150M/day until the strike abates and an agreement is reached. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41720658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41720658 ("HN: Why is US health care like this?") (The purpose of a system is what it does)
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  > Thank you for highlighting why employer provided healthcare is used to control workers. Sure, but salary is also used to control workers - striking workers don't get paid, either. They probably don't get employer contributions to their 401k. They aren't getting Social Security contributions during the strike, either.
  - Spartan-S63 2y ago
    At least historically, unions would have strike funds to at least ease the burden of lost income. Collective bargaining agreements would surely include backpay for workers to return to work, as well.
- quantified 2y ago
  Boeing may not really strongly care as a bargaining chip, and just seek to reduce all employee-related expenses that it is on the hook for. Given chips, it may use them.
  - toomuchtodo 2y ago
    Maybe! Regardless, it will be valuable evidence from a natural experiment for policy decisioning and implementation.
kjkjadksj 2y ago
Because then you effectively say those with chronic conditions cannot strike which seems illegal to me.

by teom 2y ago

Not a fan of Boeing, but doesn't it make sense to not pay for the health insurance of employees refusing to work? If they are not fulfilling their obligations, why should Boeing fulfill theirs?

truculent 2y ago

Sure, why give health insurance at all?

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Thank you for highlighting why employer provided healthcare is used to control workers. Universal healthcare would prevent this control. Is my Social Security tied to my employer? It is not, it is centrally, federally managed and provided for. Just like Medicare. But to your specific point, yes, it makes sense for them to use worker's healthcare needs to attempt to force them to concede, from a cold game theory perspective. I hope folks will see workers in the same light if workers are able to find additional corporate weaknesses to exploit. Boeing is losing $100M-$150M/day until the strike abates and an agreement is reached. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41720658 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41720658 ("HN: Why is US health care like this?") (The purpose of a system is what it does)

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
> Thank you for highlighting why employer provided healthcare is used to control workers. Sure, but salary is also used to control workers - striking workers don't get paid, either. They probably don't get employer contributions to their 401k. They aren't getting Social Security contributions during the strike, either.
- Spartan-S63 2y ago
  At least historically, unions would have strike funds to at least ease the burden of lost income. Collective bargaining agreements would surely include backpay for workers to return to work, as well.
quantified 2y ago
Boeing may not really strongly care as a bargaining chip, and just seek to reduce all employee-related expenses that it is on the hook for. Given chips, it may use them.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  Maybe! Regardless, it will be valuable evidence from a natural experiment for policy decisioning and implementation.

kjkjadksj 2y ago

Because then you effectively say those with chronic conditions cannot strike which seems illegal to me.