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The released dune movies follow a cliche hero's journey. (At face value) Talented hero faces tragedy -> adopted by outcasts-> is the promised savior -> learns

by screye 2y ago

The released dune movies follow a cliche hero's journey. (At face value) Talented hero faces tragedy -> adopted by outcasts-> is the promised savior -> learns their ways -> defeats the challenger -> wins heart of ladies -> becomes king. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions ushering an era of worm NSA personified.

llm_trw 2y ago
Duncan Idaho. >What is my purpose. I don't know, I just like bringing you back to life. >Oh my god. Yes.
gamblor956 2y ago
At face value No, they don't. Like the book series they deconstruct the hero's journey. The outcasts only accept him because of his mother. He is the promised savior because of deliberate societal manipulation, something he even repeatedly points out within the movie. He doesn't defeat the challenger; he is the challenger. He repeatedly rejects being a hero and assumes the role of villain, first as a terrorist and latter as a tyrant who leads an invasion that murders millions. And in the movie at least he loses Chani's heart at the end; a deliberate change from the books. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions This doesn't happen in the books for several thousand years, long after Paul has died.
- philistine 2y ago
  The jihad Paul unleashes on the Known Universe is a the tragedy of galactic proportions. That it then produces other tragedies is a byproduct.
  - gamblor956 2y ago
    No, the Fremen jihad was necessary to delay the Golden Path, a series of wars and genocides so violent they would push men to spread our amongst the stars. (Retconned by his son and KJA to provide for pockets of human survival after the robots return to exterminate most of mankind.)
    - philistine 2y ago
      The fact it was ultimately necessary in Paul's reading of the future doesn't mean it's not a tragedy. By your logic, if I can find a future benefit for a genocide, I can't call that a tragedy.

by screye 2y ago

llm_trw 2y ago

Duncan Idaho. >What is my purpose. I don't know, I just like bringing you back to life. >Oh my god. Yes.

gamblor956 2y ago

At face value No, they don't. Like the book series they deconstruct the hero's journey. The outcasts only accept him because of his mother. He is the promised savior because of deliberate societal manipulation, something he even repeatedly points out within the movie. He doesn't defeat the challenger; he is the challenger. He repeatedly rejects being a hero and assumes the role of villain, first as a terrorist and latter as a tyrant who leads an invasion that murders millions. And in the movie at least he loses Chani's heart at the end; a deliberate change from the books. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions This doesn't happen in the books for several thousand years, long after Paul has died.

philistine 2y ago
The jihad Paul unleashes on the Known Universe is a the tragedy of galactic proportions. That it then produces other tragedies is a byproduct.
- gamblor956 2y ago
  No, the Fremen jihad was necessary to delay the Golden Path, a series of wars and genocides so violent they would push men to spread our amongst the stars. (Retconned by his son and KJA to provide for pockets of human survival after the robots return to exterminate most of mankind.)
  - philistine 2y ago
    The fact it was ultimately necessary in Paul's reading of the future doesn't mean it's not a tragedy. By your logic, if I can find a future benefit for a genocide, I can't call that a tragedy.