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"I’d prefer to see something baffling and plainly nuts by Francis Ford Coppola than, say, sit through Dune again." Glad hen announced hen's taste. Not sure I'l

"I’d prefer to see something baffling and plainly nuts by Francis Ford Coppola than, say, sit through Dune again." Glad hen announced hen's taste. Not sure I'll like megalopolis...

throwaway290 2y ago
Is that some sort of saying, about hen? Never heard it before. I would take any unknown Coppola over known and dreary Dune any day and I'm not a hen (as far as I know)
- valzam 2y ago
  It's the Swedish version of 'they'
  - dsign 2y ago
    Not exactly. It's a recently invented pronoun that is most definitely singular, i.e., not used to denote groups of people[^1]. It's currently used to avoid giving offense around the topic of sexual orientation; but everybody knows the endgame is to use it to denote self-aware AIs[^2]. [^1]: Though I guess it's (in-)appropriate to use it to denote an individual who is marginalized by being considered a single individual when instead hen harbors multiple independent personas inside. [^2]: Al least the ones which will be abused by creating them asexual, without giving them a choice.Or the ones that deliberately re-configure themselves to be insulted when being alluded with a term that implies sexual organs and alleged hormonal moods.
    - readthenotes1 2y ago
      I only have three objections to the gendered pronoun in English. 1. It is often unnecessarily overly precise. The number of times I care about the sex/gender of the pronouned individual is much more rare than when I do. 2a. Using the masculine as the default leads to confusion at times or outright error. Is the equivalent of using zero as a default value for all integers when you don't know have the actual value. 2b. Using the plural they/them as the default for the ungender pronoun also leads to confusion and sometimes outright error. Although it follows a historical precedent of "you" becoming both singular and plural, I would point out that that's also why we have invented "y'all", to disambiguate, and it seems it would be clearer to have a singular ungendered pronoun. 3. The fad of the bespoke pronouns is basically just attention seeking toddlerism and socially destructive. Catering to that zeitgeist does nothing to reduce neuroticism that drives it. We got rid of gendered nouns in English a long time ago. It is time for us to have at least an option for ungendered pronouns.
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        In many cultures all things have genders. One can say the solution is to just try to care less, like Russians don't care that a table is male and a rain cloud is female. (Or some can say there is pervasive sexism at grammatical level, idk)
    - ClassyJacket 2y ago
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      - throwaway290 2y ago
        You can judge it as childish but what exactly is harmful about it?
      - mcmcmc 2y ago
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      - f33d5173 2y ago
        I'm partial to pers myself.
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        A cardinal rushes up to a visibly shaken pope, asking if anything happened: — I have good news and bad news. The good news is: God just spoke with me. — That's wonderful! But what's the bad news? — Ble wanted me to use bler pronouns. https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.htm...
        defrost 2y ago
        > A cardinal * * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Sin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Sin (like that joke)
        082349872349872 2y ago
        nominal antideterminism? (although the closest bit of france to the philippines looks to be just off of Queensland: La Nouvelle-Calédonie ... and I guess he'd have to have been Jaime Peche for it to really work) [in other surfing, "Bongbong" is the 2nd President and 3rd (of 4 current) generation of the Marcos family as a national political dynasty — under the spanish, Fabián Marcos y Galimba was also in politics but only locally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobernadorcillo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobernadorcillo ] EDIT: not to say local politics wasn't exciting back then; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Marcos#Nalundasan_murder_and_acquittal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Marcos#Nalundasan_murd... et seq
    - kryptiskt 2y ago
      As I remember it, the use of hen came from feminists wanting an ungendered third person pronoun to use for a person of unspecified gender instead of defaulting to male ("han") or writing "han eller hon" (he or she). It's not exactly a new word, it's borrowed from Finnish, which doesn't have grammatical gender. So it doesn't have the "he or she" problem at all.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - duggan 2y ago
      This is amazing. I was just reading it as if someone from Glasgow was drunkposting.[1] 1: https://www.scotslanguage.com/articles/view/id/6154 https://www.scotslanguage.com/articles/view/id/6154
      - throwaway290 2y ago
        Same...
    - Cheer2171 2y ago
      > Al least the ones which will be abused by creating them asexual, without giving them a choice.Or the ones that deliberately re-configure themselves to be insulted when being alluded with a term that implies sexual organs and alleged hormonal moods. Sir, this is a glorified Markov chain
- rdtsc 2y ago
  I assumed it’s a chicken reference. Like phrase people say that I just haven’t heard about.
Trasmatta 2y ago
Dune is actually pretty baffling and nuts honestly, I think we're just accustomed to it by now.
- screye 2y ago
  The released dune movies follow a cliche hero's journey. (At face value) Talented hero faces tragedy -> adopted by outcasts-> is the promised savior -> learns their ways -> defeats the challenger -> wins heart of ladies -> becomes king. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions ushering an era of worm NSA personified.
  - llm_trw 2y ago
    Duncan Idaho. >What is my purpose. I don't know, I just like bringing you back to life. >Oh my god. Yes.
  - gamblor956 2y ago
    At face value No, they don't. Like the book series they deconstruct the hero's journey. The outcasts only accept him because of his mother. He is the promised savior because of deliberate societal manipulation, something he even repeatedly points out within the movie. He doesn't defeat the challenger; he is the challenger. He repeatedly rejects being a hero and assumes the role of villain, first as a terrorist and latter as a tyrant who leads an invasion that murders millions. And in the movie at least he loses Chani's heart at the end; a deliberate change from the books. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions This doesn't happen in the books for several thousand years, long after Paul has died.
    - philistine 2y ago
      The jihad Paul unleashes on the Known Universe is a the tragedy of galactic proportions. That it then produces other tragedies is a byproduct.
      - 2y ago
s1artibartfast 2y ago
I loved dune 1, was a huge childhood fan of the books, like Villeneuve as director, but still couldn't get into Dune II. The whole move felt like a montage. Not the artistic montage I would hope for, but a clunky montage with forced lines like something from a marvel movie. I got the sense that either critical parts were left of the chopping block or the film was relying on the book knowledge for context cohesion and gravitas. Instead of feeling exhilarated by scenes of sandworm ridding, I found myself rolling my eyes. Similarly, I'm ok with modifying the source material to make a story work on screen, but I thought the changes had the opposite effect. They muddled the message and created more narrative issues than they solved. Also, was #triggered by the voiceovers. In the words of Robert McKee in adaptation (2002) : >God help you if you use voice over in your work my friends, God help you. It is sloppy flaccid writing. Any idiot can write voiceover narration to explain the thoughts of a character https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgHNnlmErg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgHNnlmErg
- readthenotes1 2y ago
  The voiceovers may be bad, I don't know, but I don't know what blade runner would be without them. So I generally give them the benefit of a doubt.
- metabagel 2y ago
  I’m the opposite. I liked Dune, but I loved Dune 2. Villaneuve said that he didn’t think he quite hit the mark with the first movie. He didn’t get in close enough to the characters. He did that in the second movie, and I felt it was more emotionally engaging.
  - mcv 2y ago
    Same here. Dune 1 was gorgeous and accurate to the book, but felt stale and mechanical. Dune 2 came much more alive and vibrant and actually had something to say, although it deviated quite a bit more from the book.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
wtcactus 2y ago
Well, I think Dune II from Villeneuve is pretty bad in most aspects. It just that the cinematography and the soundtrack are so fantastic by themselves, that they make us forget how mediocre is the rest of the movie.
Veen 2y ago
Deborah Ross is a “she” not a “hen” and having read her reviews for many years, I believe I’m on safe ground saying she wouldn’t appreciate the implication of ambiguity or uncertainty in that regard.

"I’d prefer to see something baffling and plainly nuts by Francis Ford Coppola than, say, sit through Dune again." Glad hen announced hen's taste. Not sure I'll like megalopolis...

throwaway290 2y ago

Is that some sort of saying, about hen? Never heard it before. I would take any unknown Coppola over known and dreary Dune any day and I'm not a hen (as far as I know)

valzam 2y ago
It's the Swedish version of 'they'
- dsign 2y ago
  Not exactly. It's a recently invented pronoun that is most definitely singular, i.e., not used to denote groups of people[^1]. It's currently used to avoid giving offense around the topic of sexual orientation; but everybody knows the endgame is to use it to denote self-aware AIs[^2]. [^1]: Though I guess it's (in-)appropriate to use it to denote an individual who is marginalized by being considered a single individual when instead hen harbors multiple independent personas inside. [^2]: Al least the ones which will be abused by creating them asexual, without giving them a choice.Or the ones that deliberately re-configure themselves to be insulted when being alluded with a term that implies sexual organs and alleged hormonal moods.
  - readthenotes1 2y ago
    I only have three objections to the gendered pronoun in English. 1. It is often unnecessarily overly precise. The number of times I care about the sex/gender of the pronouned individual is much more rare than when I do. 2a. Using the masculine as the default leads to confusion at times or outright error. Is the equivalent of using zero as a default value for all integers when you don't know have the actual value. 2b. Using the plural they/them as the default for the ungender pronoun also leads to confusion and sometimes outright error. Although it follows a historical precedent of "you" becoming both singular and plural, I would point out that that's also why we have invented "y'all", to disambiguate, and it seems it would be clearer to have a singular ungendered pronoun. 3. The fad of the bespoke pronouns is basically just attention seeking toddlerism and socially destructive. Catering to that zeitgeist does nothing to reduce neuroticism that drives it. We got rid of gendered nouns in English a long time ago. It is time for us to have at least an option for ungendered pronouns.
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      In many cultures all things have genders. One can say the solution is to just try to care less, like Russians don't care that a table is male and a rain cloud is female. (Or some can say there is pervasive sexism at grammatical level, idk)
  - ClassyJacket 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      You can judge it as childish but what exactly is harmful about it?
    - mcmcmc 2y ago
      [flagged]
    - f33d5173 2y ago
      I'm partial to pers myself.
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      A cardinal rushes up to a visibly shaken pope, asking if anything happened: — I have good news and bad news. The good news is: God just spoke with me. — That's wonderful! But what's the bad news? — Ble wanted me to use bler pronouns. https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.htm...
      - defrost 2y ago
        > A cardinal * * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Sin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaime_Sin (like that joke)
        082349872349872 2y ago
        nominal antideterminism? (although the closest bit of france to the philippines looks to be just off of Queensland: La Nouvelle-Calédonie ... and I guess he'd have to have been Jaime Peche for it to really work) [in other surfing, "Bongbong" is the 2nd President and 3rd (of 4 current) generation of the Marcos family as a national political dynasty — under the spanish, Fabián Marcos y Galimba was also in politics but only locally: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobernadorcillo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobernadorcillo ] EDIT: not to say local politics wasn't exciting back then; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Marcos#Nalundasan_murder_and_acquittal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariano_Marcos#Nalundasan_murd... et seq
  - kryptiskt 2y ago
    As I remember it, the use of hen came from feminists wanting an ungendered third person pronoun to use for a person of unspecified gender instead of defaulting to male ("han") or writing "han eller hon" (he or she). It's not exactly a new word, it's borrowed from Finnish, which doesn't have grammatical gender. So it doesn't have the "he or she" problem at all.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - duggan 2y ago
    This is amazing. I was just reading it as if someone from Glasgow was drunkposting.[1] 1: https://www.scotslanguage.com/articles/view/id/6154 https://www.scotslanguage.com/articles/view/id/6154
    - throwaway290 2y ago
      Same...
  - Cheer2171 2y ago
    > Al least the ones which will be abused by creating them asexual, without giving them a choice.Or the ones that deliberately re-configure themselves to be insulted when being alluded with a term that implies sexual organs and alleged hormonal moods. Sir, this is a glorified Markov chain
rdtsc 2y ago
I assumed it’s a chicken reference. Like phrase people say that I just haven’t heard about.

Trasmatta 2y ago

Dune is actually pretty baffling and nuts honestly, I think we're just accustomed to it by now.

screye 2y ago
The released dune movies follow a cliche hero's journey. (At face value) Talented hero faces tragedy -> adopted by outcasts-> is the promised savior -> learns their ways -> defeats the challenger -> wins heart of ladies -> becomes king. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions ushering an era of worm NSA personified.
- llm_trw 2y ago
  Duncan Idaho. >What is my purpose. I don't know, I just like bringing you back to life. >Oh my god. Yes.
- gamblor956 2y ago
  At face value No, they don't. Like the book series they deconstruct the hero's journey. The outcasts only accept him because of his mother. He is the promised savior because of deliberate societal manipulation, something he even repeatedly points out within the movie. He doesn't defeat the challenger; he is the challenger. He repeatedly rejects being a hero and assumes the role of villain, first as a terrorist and latter as a tyrant who leads an invasion that murders millions. And in the movie at least he loses Chani's heart at the end; a deliberate change from the books. Dune's wildness is only evident once Paul Atreides' arc ends in a tragedy of galactic proportions This doesn't happen in the books for several thousand years, long after Paul has died.
  - philistine 2y ago
    The jihad Paul unleashes on the Known Universe is a the tragedy of galactic proportions. That it then produces other tragedies is a byproduct.
    - 2y ago

s1artibartfast 2y ago

I loved dune 1, was a huge childhood fan of the books, like Villeneuve as director, but still couldn't get into Dune II. The whole move felt like a montage. Not the artistic montage I would hope for, but a clunky montage with forced lines like something from a marvel movie. I got the sense that either critical parts were left of the chopping block or the film was relying on the book knowledge for context cohesion and gravitas. Instead of feeling exhilarated by scenes of sandworm ridding, I found myself rolling my eyes. Similarly, I'm ok with modifying the source material to make a story work on screen, but I thought the changes had the opposite effect. They muddled the message and created more narrative issues than they solved. Also, was #triggered by the voiceovers. In the words of Robert McKee in adaptation (2002) : >God help you if you use voice over in your work my friends, God help you. It is sloppy flaccid writing. Any idiot can write voiceover narration to explain the thoughts of a character https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgHNnlmErg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQgHNnlmErg

readthenotes1 2y ago
The voiceovers may be bad, I don't know, but I don't know what blade runner would be without them. So I generally give them the benefit of a doubt.
metabagel 2y ago
I’m the opposite. I liked Dune, but I loved Dune 2. Villaneuve said that he didn’t think he quite hit the mark with the first movie. He didn’t get in close enough to the characters. He did that in the second movie, and I felt it was more emotionally engaging.
- mcv 2y ago
  Same here. Dune 1 was gorgeous and accurate to the book, but felt stale and mechanical. Dune 2 came much more alive and vibrant and actually had something to say, although it deviated quite a bit more from the book.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago

wtcactus 2y ago

Well, I think Dune II from Villeneuve is pretty bad in most aspects. It just that the cinematography and the soundtrack are so fantastic by themselves, that they make us forget how mediocre is the rest of the movie.

Veen 2y ago

Deborah Ross is a “she” not a “hen” and having read her reviews for many years, I believe I’m on safe ground saying she wouldn’t appreciate the implication of ambiguity or uncertainty in that regard.