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A few points… - The ILA workers are well paid today. Average somewhere around $150k and 1/3 of them are over $200k - The contract they want keeps base, startin

A few points… - The ILA workers are well paid today. Average somewhere around $150k and 1/3 of them are over $200k - The contract they want keeps base, starting wages low… - … coupled with generous OT allowances means they basically have guaranteed OT and low likelyhood of competition from new-comers - They also want a near total ban on automation - ILA President has met several times with Trump but refused any assistance from Biden. - ILA president, publicity people, and members are actively spreading fake news about shipping prices in order to garner sympathy from the general population. I’m usually pro-union and pro-labor, but this strike reeks of massive extortion at best and an attempt by the ILA president to sway the election (regardless of outcome for his members) at worst. His claims that Trump will be good for the union fly in the face of all we know about Trump and the people he places in cabinet level positions.

jmyeet 2y ago
They make this much by working significant overtime [1]: > That top-tier hourly wage of $39 amounts to just over $81,000 annually, but dockworkers can make significantly more by taking on extra shifts. For example, according to a 2019-20 annual report from the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor, about one-third of local longshoremen made $200,000 or more a year. > A more typical longshoreman's salary can exceed $100,000, but not without logging substantial overtime hours. Daggett, the ILA president, maintains that these higher earners work up to 100 hours a week. Working 100 hours a week to get to this level of salary hardly seems excessive to me. The real question is why is this necessary? are the ports not hiring enough people? Is the union blocking hiring to protect overtime? I don't know. But I'd like to see someone only needing to work ~40 hours a week to live comfortably and, given that the above is from the New York ports, one of the more expensive areas to live, that currently doesn't seem to be the case. > His claims that Trump will be good for the union fly in the face of all we know about Trump and the people he places in cabinet level positions. I agree. It's similar with the Teamsters president, Sean O'Brien. Politically, these union workers tend to be pretty split politically and that's really the Democrats' fault for abandoning organized labor. It's worth noting that the leadership is accountable to the members. The union president is elected. But regardless of their political leanings, I want them to get paid a living wage. I also have no problem with them, or anyone, exerting political pressure in an election. That's what elections are for. [1]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-dock-workers-make-longshoreman-salary/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-dock-workers-make-l...
- alistairSH 2y ago
  are the ports not hiring enough people? Is the union blocking hiring to protect overtime? Yes. The union wants the starting base salary kept at $20, where it’s been for ages. The big wage gains are for people with seniority. They appear to want to work these hours.

jmyeet 2y ago

They make this much by working significant overtime [1]: > That top-tier hourly wage of $39 amounts to just over $81,000 annually, but dockworkers can make significantly more by taking on extra shifts. For example, according to a 2019-20 annual report from the Waterfront Commission of New York Harbor, about one-third of local longshoremen made $200,000 or more a year. > A more typical longshoreman's salary can exceed $100,000, but not without logging substantial overtime hours. Daggett, the ILA president, maintains that these higher earners work up to 100 hours a week. Working 100 hours a week to get to this level of salary hardly seems excessive to me. The real question is why is this necessary? are the ports not hiring enough people? Is the union blocking hiring to protect overtime? I don't know. But I'd like to see someone only needing to work ~40 hours a week to live comfortably and, given that the above is from the New York ports, one of the more expensive areas to live, that currently doesn't seem to be the case. > His claims that Trump will be good for the union fly in the face of all we know about Trump and the people he places in cabinet level positions. I agree. It's similar with the Teamsters president, Sean O'Brien. Politically, these union workers tend to be pretty split politically and that's really the Democrats' fault for abandoning organized labor. It's worth noting that the leadership is accountable to the members. The union president is elected. But regardless of their political leanings, I want them to get paid a living wage. I also have no problem with them, or anyone, exerting political pressure in an election. That's what elections are for. [1]: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-dock-workers-make-longshoreman-salary/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-much-do-dock-workers-make-l...

alistairSH 2y ago
are the ports not hiring enough people? Is the union blocking hiring to protect overtime? Yes. The union wants the starting base salary kept at $20, where it’s been for ages. The big wage gains are for people with seniority. They appear to want to work these hours.