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It’s more of a naming change. E.g. Tesla Model X is practically a minivan. It just won’t sell if you call it so.

by michpoch 2y ago

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
minivan == car chassis suv == truck chassis They're probably dying for the same reason cars are.
- HunterWare 2y ago
  Toyota Sienna == Toyota Highlander It's all the exact same chassis, drive, suspension, pretty much you name it except the doors and body style. So that's not quite true...
- psc 2y ago
  SUV is a poor term, nowadays it's largely used to refer to crossovers/CUVs, which have unibody car chassis and are really just station wagons with some extra clearance. The nomenclature may be a lost battle at this point, but the rise of CUVs (which are certainly cars, not body-on-frame trucks) is what killed minivans and sedans.
  - michpoch 2y ago
    > is what killed minivans and sedans. Sedans died years ago - pretty impractical body type. The only advantage over SW is a perceived "prestige".
  - nasmorn 2y ago
    They are also station wagons with a smaller trunk
- michpoch 2y ago
  > suv == truck chassis What does that even mean? If you meant built on a frame, then sorry, but that's not in the SUVs DNA. > They're probably dying for the same reason cars are. Not sure where are you located - cars are doing great.
  - 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
    USA
  - yellowapple 2y ago
    > If you meant built on a frame, then sorry, but that's not in the SUVs DNA. It depends on the SUV. Part of the problem with online conversations about SUVs is that SUVs are a broad category and everyone fixates on whichever extreme of that broad category supports one's point the best. Hence: SUVs allegedly being big and bulky (i.e. describing the full-size SUV end of the spectrum) while simultaneously having small interiors and only two rows of seating (i.e. describing the CUV end of the spectrum). Same deal here. It doesn't take an expert in automotive design to recognize that (using Toyota as an example) the 4-Runner, Highlander, and RAV-4 all fall in very different spots on the "Tacoma v. Camry" structural design spectrum.
travem 2y ago
Model X is no where near as spacious inside as a minivan. I have had a couple of Odyssey’s and they are much more spacious, particularly for the third row seating. I eventually moved to an Electric Vehicle (Kia EV9) that is quite roomy, but still smaller than the minivan inside.
danans 2y ago
> Tesla Model X is practically a minivan. At $80k to start, it's definitely not in the minivan price range.
- michpoch 2y ago
  Prices are a separate issue. Body style - it's right there. Manufacturers went bananas with the body style naming and it's a shame that car journalist are not correcting them. I keep reading that Tesla Model 3 is a sedan and Model Y is a SUV... In that world, sure, we won't have anything called a minivan. Start calling things by what they are and it's solved: - Toyota Sienna - minvivan - Tesla Model X - minivan - Kia EV9 - minivan - Tesla Model Y - hatchback And suddenly we're exactly where we were 20 years ago.

It’s more of a naming change. E.g. Tesla Model X is practically a minivan. It just won’t sell if you call it so.

2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago

minivan == car chassis suv == truck chassis They're probably dying for the same reason cars are.

HunterWare 2y ago
Toyota Sienna == Toyota Highlander It's all the exact same chassis, drive, suspension, pretty much you name it except the doors and body style. So that's not quite true...
psc 2y ago
SUV is a poor term, nowadays it's largely used to refer to crossovers/CUVs, which have unibody car chassis and are really just station wagons with some extra clearance. The nomenclature may be a lost battle at this point, but the rise of CUVs (which are certainly cars, not body-on-frame trucks) is what killed minivans and sedans.
- michpoch 2y ago
  > is what killed minivans and sedans. Sedans died years ago - pretty impractical body type. The only advantage over SW is a perceived "prestige".
- nasmorn 2y ago
  They are also station wagons with a smaller trunk
michpoch 2y ago
> suv == truck chassis What does that even mean? If you meant built on a frame, then sorry, but that's not in the SUVs DNA. > They're probably dying for the same reason cars are. Not sure where are you located - cars are doing great.
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y ago
  USA
- yellowapple 2y ago
  > If you meant built on a frame, then sorry, but that's not in the SUVs DNA. It depends on the SUV. Part of the problem with online conversations about SUVs is that SUVs are a broad category and everyone fixates on whichever extreme of that broad category supports one's point the best. Hence: SUVs allegedly being big and bulky (i.e. describing the full-size SUV end of the spectrum) while simultaneously having small interiors and only two rows of seating (i.e. describing the CUV end of the spectrum). Same deal here. It doesn't take an expert in automotive design to recognize that (using Toyota as an example) the 4-Runner, Highlander, and RAV-4 all fall in very different spots on the "Tacoma v. Camry" structural design spectrum.

travem 2y ago

Model X is no where near as spacious inside as a minivan. I have had a couple of Odyssey’s and they are much more spacious, particularly for the third row seating. I eventually moved to an Electric Vehicle (Kia EV9) that is quite roomy, but still smaller than the minivan inside.

danans 2y ago

> Tesla Model X is practically a minivan. At $80k to start, it's definitely not in the minivan price range.

michpoch 2y ago
Prices are a separate issue. Body style - it's right there. Manufacturers went bananas with the body style naming and it's a shame that car journalist are not correcting them. I keep reading that Tesla Model 3 is a sedan and Model Y is a SUV... In that world, sure, we won't have anything called a minivan. Start calling things by what they are and it's solved: - Toyota Sienna - minvivan - Tesla Model X - minivan - Kia EV9 - minivan - Tesla Model Y - hatchback And suddenly we're exactly where we were 20 years ago.