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>It has a terrible potential to corrupt sport. When you can bet a lot of money on how long a college players plays, or how many points they get in a particular

>It has a terrible potential to corrupt sport. When you can bet a lot of money on how long a college players plays, or how many points they get in a particular game, what's to stop them from having a relative make a bet and they just fake a cramp? Or get assaulted or murdered, internet death pool style? All kinds of really fucked up incentives are created by these legalized betting apps.

idontwantthis 2y ago
I wonder how many people out there would take an assault charge to win a bet. Since there’s a market you could even get investors. Get $10million together, bet it with high odds, take 25% cut, spend 10 years in jail, live out the rest of your life in comfort. Is any of that illegal besides the assault itself?
- stonogo 2y ago
  Very much so. Even planning it, without carrying it out, would be subject to criminal conspiracy charges. Recruiting people to the scheme (even the investors) would be soliciting a crime. It's illegal to interfere in the outcome of the game once the bet is placed. Finally, once it was proven you rigged it, you'd probably be forced to return the winnings anyway. I'm sure an actual attorney could come up with even more reasons this is illegal.
  - singleshot_ 2y ago
    Doesn’t conspiracy require an act in furtherance of the crime? Are you sure that the party who has solicited the crime is not the investors? What makes it illegal to interfere in the outcome?
  - idontwantthis 2y ago
    Well darn.
    - troyvit 2y ago
      Don't give up. You just need more investors to spread the risk :)
- Enginerrrd 2y ago
  I'd think you'ď be VERY hard pressed to bet $10 million dollars, but I don't know that.
  - not2b 2y ago
    Pretend to be 1,000 people, and each sock puppet bets $10k.
    - scrivna 2y ago
      Who’s taking the other side of the bet though? No smart bookie will dig themselves in such a hole, it would obviously be fraud and they’d stop accepting bets
      - not2b 2y ago
        One of the massive platforms, like DraftKings. They won't even notice. The point of all this is the effect of making sports betting legal.
- qb1 2y ago
  Criminal conspiracy. The agreement to commit the crime is the crime. Not the assault. That is another crime.
  - mass_and_energy 2y ago
    A predicate action must be taken in order for this to stick. However, this can be literally anything to move down the proposed path of conspiracy. So if you made the plan then downloaded the app, that's criminal conspiracy
CyberDildonics 2y ago
Do you think that might be a little extreme? Where is a legal betting app allowing people to bet on that?
- rjbwork 2y ago
  If you bet a player gets 0 points in a game and then you shoot them in the leg...you've essentially bet on them being shot in the leg!
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    If you make a bet on a performance and the athlete doesn't show up at all, the bet is voided. Why would you think this is a plausible scenario? https://helpcentre.sportsbet.com.au/hc/en-us/articles/18716984360333-Cancelled-Postponed-And-No-Contest-UFC-Fights https://helpcentre.sportsbet.com.au/hc/en-us/articles/187169... https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/how-to/no-contest-boxing-mma/ https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/how-to/no-contest-b... Can you show me any time what you're saying has happened?
- makeitdouble 2y ago
  At some point there is enough money triggered for a specific outcome of the game. If hurting someone credibly increases the odds, it's not if but when will people cross the line.
  - CyberDildonics 2y ago
    "Revenue in the Online Gambling market is projected to reach US$97.15bn in 2024" https://www.statista.com/outlook/amo/online-gambling/worldwide https://www.statista.com/outlook/amo/online-gambling/worldwi... There is already $97 billion USD/year. Where is the evidence for what you're saying?
    - makeitdouble 2y ago
      You're right. As david_shi also points out, there's so many other less bothersome ways it makes little sense to recourse to violence on online bets. Looking into it, the vast majority of incidents are the player themselves betting against their team or losing on purpose, the same of ways matches have been fixed since the dawn of betting. Paying someone is just so much easier than fighting them.

idontwantthis 2y ago

I wonder how many people out there would take an assault charge to win a bet. Since there’s a market you could even get investors. Get $10million together, bet it with high odds, take 25% cut, spend 10 years in jail, live out the rest of your life in comfort. Is any of that illegal besides the assault itself?

stonogo 2y ago
Very much so. Even planning it, without carrying it out, would be subject to criminal conspiracy charges. Recruiting people to the scheme (even the investors) would be soliciting a crime. It's illegal to interfere in the outcome of the game once the bet is placed. Finally, once it was proven you rigged it, you'd probably be forced to return the winnings anyway. I'm sure an actual attorney could come up with even more reasons this is illegal.
- singleshot_ 2y ago
  Doesn’t conspiracy require an act in furtherance of the crime? Are you sure that the party who has solicited the crime is not the investors? What makes it illegal to interfere in the outcome?
- idontwantthis 2y ago
  Well darn.
  - troyvit 2y ago
    Don't give up. You just need more investors to spread the risk :)
Enginerrrd 2y ago
I'd think you'ď be VERY hard pressed to bet $10 million dollars, but I don't know that.
- not2b 2y ago
  Pretend to be 1,000 people, and each sock puppet bets $10k.
  - scrivna 2y ago
    Who’s taking the other side of the bet though? No smart bookie will dig themselves in such a hole, it would obviously be fraud and they’d stop accepting bets
    - not2b 2y ago
      One of the massive platforms, like DraftKings. They won't even notice. The point of all this is the effect of making sports betting legal.
qb1 2y ago
Criminal conspiracy. The agreement to commit the crime is the crime. Not the assault. That is another crime.
- mass_and_energy 2y ago
  A predicate action must be taken in order for this to stick. However, this can be literally anything to move down the proposed path of conspiracy. So if you made the plan then downloaded the app, that's criminal conspiracy

CyberDildonics 2y ago

Do you think that might be a little extreme? Where is a legal betting app allowing people to bet on that?

rjbwork 2y ago
If you bet a player gets 0 points in a game and then you shoot them in the leg...you've essentially bet on them being shot in the leg!
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  If you make a bet on a performance and the athlete doesn't show up at all, the bet is voided. Why would you think this is a plausible scenario? https://helpcentre.sportsbet.com.au/hc/en-us/articles/18716984360333-Cancelled-Postponed-And-No-Contest-UFC-Fights https://helpcentre.sportsbet.com.au/hc/en-us/articles/187169... https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/how-to/no-contest-boxing-mma/ https://www.sportsbettingdime.com/guides/how-to/no-contest-b... Can you show me any time what you're saying has happened?
makeitdouble 2y ago
At some point there is enough money triggered for a specific outcome of the game. If hurting someone credibly increases the odds, it's not if but when will people cross the line.
- CyberDildonics 2y ago
  "Revenue in the Online Gambling market is projected to reach US$97.15bn in 2024" https://www.statista.com/outlook/amo/online-gambling/worldwide https://www.statista.com/outlook/amo/online-gambling/worldwi... There is already $97 billion USD/year. Where is the evidence for what you're saying?
  - makeitdouble 2y ago
    You're right. As david_shi also points out, there's so many other less bothersome ways it makes little sense to recourse to violence on online bets. Looking into it, the vast majority of incidents are the player themselves betting against their team or losing on purpose, the same of ways matches have been fixed since the dawn of betting. Paying someone is just so much easier than fighting them.