>> plus most of the features that Java programmers were begging for that Sun was sniffing at... >'most of the features' is pushing it a bit. The only feature t

>> plus most of the features that Java programmers were begging for that Sun was sniffing at... >'most of the features' is pushing it a bit. The only feature that J++ had over Java 1.1 at the time... The Java-like language with no strings attached with the different name and all the new features that I was talking about was C#, not Visual J++. > Microsoft lost the lawsuit, and that was the reason they ditched J++... But that's not the reason they created C#. They created C# because they wanted a Java-like language (Java-like as in having the Java advantages over C++, not as in Java-compatible) without any limits on how good they could make it for writing Windows client apps. When they created J++, they were still assuming that Java was a juggernaut that they would have to cooperate with to some extent or get left behind, like HTML. Over time, it became clear that Java was fizzling out on the client anyway, so the need to cooperate was fading fast while the desire to create something that would actually be great for Windows clients was becoming overwhelming. After Java failed as a client-side alternative for creating Windows apps, MS was going to fork their own language, regardless of its name.