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Show HN: Jarvis, a Light Table like companion for Python
- trueduke 14y agoVery nice implementation of some of Bret Victor's ideas!
- BaltoRouberol 14y agoI guess it should be "pip install jarvis" and not "pip install pip". Very nice tool!
- madlag 14y agoThanks ! Typo should be fixed now !
- thomas759 14y agoAwesome idea, LiteTable doesn't handle python, good job!
- thisishugo 14y agoLight Table reached $300,000+ of funding so it will support Python.
- madlag 14y agoYes, I am a backer on KickStarter, but I could not wait !
- nedsteeg 14y agoWell done! I like the iron man touch at the end of the video;)
- koide 14y agoI love the hilarious youtube's subtitles. For instance (3:34): "without a student to conduct a kidney advocate" or (3:19): "registers configure troop went upstairs don't just goes up" But you should disable them by default, they are confusing! Edit: Why the downvote(s)?
- madlag 14y agoThanks, I've removed them ! I did not realize they would be on by default. I suppose the errors are due to my subtle french accent ;-)
- koide 14y agoI find it curious that Google has a very good translation software but they don't pass the generated subtitles through their language models to detect when they are gibberish. It's not your fault, but YouTube's. I just find computer generated gibberish funny.
- obtu 14y agoTheir language models might perform acceptably with text, but speech is much looser with structure and grammar. They may apply a bit of local expectation-maximisation but anything more strict or long-range wouldn't work.
- koide 14y agoSpeech may be much looser, but a classifier to (try to) detect absolute gibberish from real content doesn't look too far fetched to me. Its only action would be to disable the subtitles by default if gibberish was detected. It may be computationally impractical though.
- obtu 14y agoThe problem with that is that the language model's power is already used to fix things up locally (because this is transcribed from audio). As a result it can't be used again to decide if the transcription fits the model; it's the case by design. There must be some kind of confidence metric at the end of the process, but I don't think it's possible to tell how much of the ambiguity comes from inadequacies in the phoneme model, or the audio environment, or the language model. They'd have to throw out good transcriptions in noisy environments along with bad transcriptions, and probably wouldn't keep much at all. As it is it seems they prefer to publish crappy results and hopefully have some feedback channel involving the video uploader.
- fabienpenso 14y agoGlad to see more and more tools for the shortest feedback loop while you code.
- JBiserkov 14y agoImagine in 50 years: "Nope, that's a bad idea right there in you thoughts."
- DeepDuh 14y ago"Hey, how about the public pool today." "WARNING: Usage of public pools during hot weather is deprecated. Misuse may lead to a degradation of your insurance policy. At short-term-alpha memory, synapse group #23AE18-123, phase shift 3"
- arcank 14y agoNice work :) I hope to see more tools like this soon!
- matthieurouif 14y agoWell done guys, faster feedback makes your more efficient!
- nicosteeg 14y agoGreat tool, OSG real-time editing and visualization looks very useful!
- detcherry 14y agoWell done! You should go on Kickstarter!
- madlag 14y agoThanks ! I am going to think about it ;-)
- superasn 14y ago(Hate to be that guy but) Could something like this ever be possible for PHP?
- madlag 14y agoYes, it could be, but it may be just a bit slower as there is no reload function in php.
- arms 14y agoAs someone who's excited to be learning Python, seeing tools like this makes me even happier. Thanks! I have a feeling going back to PHP is going to be very difficult for me :)
- madlag 14y agoYes, I was thinking about people learning Python too when developing this. My daughter is 6 years old, and I suspect she will learn Python in a few years or even months ;-)
- amcintyre 14y agoI don't often see things on HN and think, "wow, I absolutely must have that," but this is one of those times. Thank you for releasing this; if you do a kickstarter page or put up a donation link somewhere I'll throw some money at you. :)
- madlag 14y agoThanks !!! It's really heartening to have your support, and to see that it could help a lot of people. I have been using it daily for a few months now, it's a bit like re-discovering coding because it's just way more fun to code with it. And I will definitely consider creating a Kickstarter project.
- ataugeron 14y agoAwesome! Congrats on that work!
- jeffboudier 14y agoFantastic tool, can't wait to try it. I agree this is kickstarter worthy. Looks like the OSG bindings and pane makes it easy for devs to hack motion design, I wonder what will come out of that.
- Jilouc 14y agoI bet Tony Stark is jealous now. Looks awesome!
- pjmlp 14y agoIt seems everyone is rediscovering Smalltalk!
- heretohelp 14y agoYeah, except without all the bad parts like images that can get corrupted and stateful (wtf were they thinking?) web-apps.
- pjmlp 14y agoYeah, the image concept only works properly when Smalltalk is the operating system, as it was originally developed.
- stcredzero 14y agoWhat experience are you basing this on, exactly? (I've often said around here that things would've worked out better if there wasn't such a barrier between stuff happening in Smalltalk and outside in the OS -- community wise. But if you're willing to play just in the Smalltalk sandbox, it's a pretty awesome experience.)
- pjmlp 14y agoDon't take it personally, I love Smalltalk. I've only used Smalltalk/V during university, back in 1995, if memory serves me right. I've seen integration problems migrating code between implementations, lack of proper support for source control specially in distributed teams, lack of integration with the operating system for desktop applications. I know that many of these problems have been solved in newer implementations, but maybe now it is too late.
- stcredzero 14y agoYeah, except without all the bad parts like images that can get corrupted Sorry, I've been a professional in Smalltalk since 1998, and I've never encountered a corrupted image. The closest thing I've seen to that is de-sync with source code. (Which you don't care much about if you're using SCM, for the same reasons everyone else uses SCM.) stateful (wtf were they thinking?) web-apps. Same things others were thinking at the time -- you're just seeing a slice of history. People still rave over the debugging in Seaside like it's magic, though.
- ninetax 14y agoI would help if explained how to get the dependencies in better detail. I have been finding packages for 20 minutes. I would love to try this out but I can't seem to get it running. If you list the project dependencies in your 'setup.py' instead of having # List your project dependencies here. # For more details, see: # http://packages.python.org/distribute/setuptools.html#declaring-dependencies http://packages.python.org/distribute/setuptools.html#declar... then people might try out your software more easily.
- stcredzero 14y agoThere is a problem with this kind of ultra-rapid iteration when you start doing certain kinds of low-level stuff that can crash your development environment. I suspect that Jarvis avoids much of this by running in a different process, but there are certain things that might still cause a reboot. Still, it just occurred to me that one could use integration with scm like git or mercurial to get the same kind of benefit as the Smalltalk change log+image. What if every change to a function was snapshotted, and the developer could easily scroll/flip through these snapshots? Merging the change back to a main branch would then be like image saving in Smalltalk. This would give developers the ability to try really risky development, since they would always be able to quickly get back to a previous state. (This can already be done, but by making the integration really seamless, it has a synergistic effect with development.)
- yodx 14y agoNice work ! Very nice implementation.