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Most teachers have large classes. Their ability to monitor each kid and prevent them from using chatgpt or similar tools may be limited. I come from a family w

by adamc 2y ago

Most teachers have large classes. Their ability to monitor each kid and prevent them from using chatgpt or similar tools may be limited. I come from a family with many teachers. The harsh reality is that teachers can provide a conducive environment, but they just don't have enough time per kid to make nearly the impact that people expect, which is why your home environment is so critical. Teachers don't really teach. They create an environment to help you teach yourself. They can provide lessons, but you always have to do the work of internalizing it. Watching youtube videos is not the same as struggling to write programs. Etc.

lucianbr 2y ago
> Most teachers have large classes. Their ability to monitor each kid and prevent them from using chatgpt or similar tools may be limited. I'm not a teacher, and I very well may be missing your point due to my own shortcomings. But I have to ask, would this sentence not apply to people not wanting to learn math because it's hard? (or learn anything at all) > Most teachers have large classes. Their ability to monitor each kid and prevent them from cheating or simply not learning may be limited. I have been in school, and have learned a few things, not many. Next to me were people who learned even less, because they didn't want to. ChatGPT didn't exist then, nor smartphones, and we didn't even have internet access. That just points to schools being imperfect, and seems to have zero connection to ChatGPT.
- vel0city 2y ago
  > But I have to ask, would this sentence not apply to people not wanting to learn math because it's hard? It is pretty easy for a teacher to find a student not learning math; they'll fail the test. I wouldn't fault a teacher for not reliably detecting every student using a lot of LLMs to write their longer papers.
- adamc 2y ago
  Math is usually assessed via quizzes and tests where you have to show your work, which makes it easier for the teacher to tell if you are getting it. It's a lot harder to assess whether a student has read a novel -- you basically have to make them write a paper on it (and be aware of what they would get from Cliffs notes). Grading papers is a ton of work, and that limits that technique. Also, it's easy to see if someone is using a calculator. But needing to show your work makes that less of an issue anyhow.

by adamc 2y ago

lucianbr 2y ago

> Most teachers have large classes. Their ability to monitor each kid and prevent them from using chatgpt or similar tools may be limited. I'm not a teacher, and I very well may be missing your point due to my own shortcomings. But I have to ask, would this sentence not apply to people not wanting to learn math because it's hard? (or learn anything at all) > Most teachers have large classes. Their ability to monitor each kid and prevent them from cheating or simply not learning may be limited. I have been in school, and have learned a few things, not many. Next to me were people who learned even less, because they didn't want to. ChatGPT didn't exist then, nor smartphones, and we didn't even have internet access. That just points to schools being imperfect, and seems to have zero connection to ChatGPT.

vel0city 2y ago
> But I have to ask, would this sentence not apply to people not wanting to learn math because it's hard? It is pretty easy for a teacher to find a student not learning math; they'll fail the test. I wouldn't fault a teacher for not reliably detecting every student using a lot of LLMs to write their longer papers.
adamc 2y ago
Math is usually assessed via quizzes and tests where you have to show your work, which makes it easier for the teacher to tell if you are getting it. It's a lot harder to assess whether a student has read a novel -- you basically have to make them write a paper on it (and be aware of what they would get from Cliffs notes). Grading papers is a ton of work, and that limits that technique. Also, it's easy to see if someone is using a calculator. But needing to show your work makes that less of an issue anyhow.