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4chan is actually one of the worst social media out there. They are responsible for a hell of a lot of hate campaigns out there. Anonymity breeds toxicity.
by dom96 2y ago
4chan is actually one of the worst social media out there. They are responsible for a hell of a lot of hate campaigns out there. Anonymity breeds toxicity.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoAnonymity breeds veracity. As soon as you force people to identify themselves they start lying to you whenever the truth would be controversial. They refuse to concede when someone proves them wrong because now they're under pressure to save face. It's why Facebook's real name policy causes the place to be so toxic.
- drawkward 2y agoThis is such a weird take. Anonymity lets people behave with impunity.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoAnonymity lets people speak with impunity, which is precisely what allows them to say true things they would otherwise be deterred from saying. They could also say false things, but unverifiable claims from an anonymous source have no credibility.
- drawkward 2y agoObviously, the impunity also allows them to say false things they would otherwise be deterred from saying. Why would you assume the impunity leads to more truth and not more lies?
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoThere are three relevant types of statements: Logical arguments, independently verifiable factual claims and unverifiable factual claims. Logical arguments stand on their own merits. Whether they're convincing or not depends on whether you can find holes in them, not on who offers them. Presenting weak arguments is low value because they're not convincing. But anonymity allows people to present strong arguments that they would otherwise be punished for presenting, not because they're untrue but because they're inconvenient. Independently verifiable factual claims are the same. You don't have to believe the author because all they're telling you is that you can find something relevant in a particular document or clip and then you can see for yourself if it's there or not. But anonymity protects them from being punished for telling people about it. Unverifiable factual claims are an appeal to authority, which requires you to be an authority -- it's a mechanism authorities use to lie to people -- which is incompatible with anonymity. If you anonymously claim something nobody can check then you have no credibility. So anonymity enables people to say verifiably true things they would otherwise be punished for bringing to public attention, but is less effective for lying than saying the lies under an official identity because there is no authority from which to lend credibility to unverifiable claims.
- drawkward 2y agoYour typology of statements and reasons for stating them is lacking and unconvincing. Plenty of reason to spread verifiable lies under conditions of anonymity.
- dom96 2y agoIt really doesn’t. Anonymous people are far more likely to lie, obscure facts and mislead to make you support whatever cause they want to strengthen.
- AnthonyMouse 2y agoPeople do exactly that under their real names. If anything they do it more as a form of virtue signaling because they have to be seen supporting their tribe's causes.