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I expect that nowadays many online are speaking with GenAI without even realising it. It’s already been bad enough that you may be unknowingly conversing with
by dom96 2y ago
I expect that nowadays many online are speaking with GenAI without even realising it.
It’s already been bad enough that you may be unknowingly conversing with the same person pretending to be someone else via multiple accounts. But GenAI is crossing the line in making it really cheap for narratives to be influenced by just building bots. This is a problem for all social networks and I think the only way forward is to enforce validation of humanity.
I’m currently building a social network that only allows upvote/downvote and comments from real humans.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoGood bot (/s) I don't know that "real humans" is good enough. You can do plenty of manipulation on social networks by hiring lots of real humans to upvote/downvote/post what you want. It's not even expensive.
- dom96 2y agoYeah. But the cost is significantly higher than ramping up GenAI to make you thousands of accounts. There is no fool proof solution to this. But perfect is the enemy of the good. Right now social media is pretty far from being “good”.
- pixl97 2y ago>I’m currently building a social network that only allows upvote/downvote and comments from real humans. And how exactly do you do that? At the end of the day there is no such thing as a comment/vote from a real human, it's all mediated by digital devices. At the point the signal is digitized a bot can take over the process.
- dom96 2y agoBy validating each account with a passport and ensuring that only one account per passport is allowed.
- lobsterthief 2y agoWhat about people who buy stolen passports on the dark web? Or passport details that get leaked in data breaches
- unethical_ban 2y agoWe need a German to chime in with whatever word describes this scenario, when someone suggests an action is not worth doing because of corner cases or inability to perfectly execute a process. In this hypothetical, let's say we'd tackle the dark web passport market issue when we get there.
- Tepix 2y agoIn this case, the english word overkill does a good job already.
- dom96 2y agohehe yeah, it's funny how many are focusing on the small edge case that makes a certain solution not 100% perfect. There is also another issue: people can have more than one passport if they're dual citizens. But you know what... I think that's fine.
- lobsterthief 2y agoGreat points
- mike_hearn 2y agoPassports have digitally signed certificates in them, readable by any device with an NFC radio. It's easy enough to extract that data with a mobile app, and now you have an unforgeable file that can be hashed. Of course whether users will bother to sign up for something like a social network if they have to go rummage around and find a passport, install a mobile app etc, I don't know. But it's technically possible and I've proposed such a scheme years ago. For bonus points do the hashing inside a secure enclave so the ePassport data is never upload to a remote server in the clear.
- wavemode 2y agoI agree with the other commenters that you'll face a lot of challenges, but personally I hope you succeed. Sounds like an idea worth pursuing.
- dom96 2y agoThank you :)
- stevage 2y ago>I’m currently building a social network that only allows upvote/downvote and comments from real humans. What's your method for detecting real humans? Also will your social network allow bots labelled as bots?
- dom96 2y agoSee discussion above for details, but in short: by requiring user passports. Yeah, I’ll probably make it possible to set up bots that are clearly labelled.
- wildrhythms 2y agoDead Internet Theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Internet_theory