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Oof. I get gorhill is pissed about the whole thing, but, this feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's going to be much trickier for people to

Oof. I get gorhill is pissed about the whole thing, but, this feels like cutting off your nose to spite your face. It's going to be much trickier for people to get uBO Lite onto their Firefox for Android installations now, or even if they can, they might just not bother. And, while I suppose gorhill could make the case that he's protesting this egregious process on behalf of the little guy, the fact is, he's not the little guy as far as Firefox add-ons go. uBO was one of the first (if not the first) 3rd-party addon to be offered as part of Firefox for Android after Mozilla's reorg started rolling out. He clearly has Mozilla's attention. I'm not sure what he gains from continued intransigence offers after Mozilla admits their mistake and apologizes.

Timshel 2y ago
He gains by not having to interact with them for UBOL. When you waste people's time sometimes an apology is not enough for them to want to continue to work with you ...
- 51Cards 2y ago
  An outlook like that will really limit who you work with in the future. I don't know anyone, corp or otherwise, that doesn't mess up from time to time. What matters is the acknowledgement of the mistake and taking steps to rectify it. IMO, as much as I highly respect his products, the dev pulled a hissy fit over a mistake.
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    So, half of what you say matters seems to be missing.
    - ForHackernews 2y ago
      They restored his extension (until he removed it again), what more do the Mozilla-haters want?
      - SSLy 2y ago
        An apology, a post mortem, and lessons learned and implemented so it doesn’t happen again.
  - somerandom2407 2y ago
    The unpaid dev who produces something of value to users of Firefox. Removing the addon doesn't hurt him, and may hurt Firefox if people switch to Brave over this. Mozilla need to make changes to their review process or risk losing users.
yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
> It's going to be much trickier for people to get uBO Lite onto their Firefox for Android installations now, or even if they can, they might just not bother. Why would they bother? Firefox - Android or desktop - runs full/regular uBo just fine.
- AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
  > Why would they bother? Firefox - Android or desktop - runs full/regular uBo just fine. gorhill himself stated[0]: > This is unfortunate because despite uBOL being more limited than uBO, there were people who preferred the Lite approach of uBOL, which was designed from the ground up to be an efficient suspendable extension, thus a good match for Firefox for Android. [0] https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/197#issuecomment-2377395301 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/197#issueco...
carlosjobim 2y ago
> I'm not sure what he gains from continued intransigence offers after Mozilla admits their mistake and apologizes. What would he gain from submission to Mozilla? Either way he gains $0 for all the work he's done to improve the Internet for millions of people.
- AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
  He gains Mozilla's distribution model and audience, which allows users of Firefox to download add-ons from their browser's UI and updates automatically, rather than having to manually pull an extension file from a Github page for each new release and install it.
  - phoronixrly 2y ago
    That's a long-winded way to say $0
    - Crespyl 2y ago
      Time and effort are usually considered to be worth some amount of money.
      - carlosjobim 2y ago
        Time and effort is what he spends, $0 is what he gains.
    - AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
      You gain $0 for uploading your Linux package to yum/apt/dnf as well, but you recognize that there's value in being able to install such packages easily through a well-curated repository, no?
      - okanat 2y ago
        Well you, the programmer, usually don't upload it. Some package maintainer does it since they want your software and ideally they should handle the bug reports for their package as well.

Timshel 2y ago

He gains by not having to interact with them for UBOL. When you waste people's time sometimes an apology is not enough for them to want to continue to work with you ...

51Cards 2y ago
An outlook like that will really limit who you work with in the future. I don't know anyone, corp or otherwise, that doesn't mess up from time to time. What matters is the acknowledgement of the mistake and taking steps to rectify it. IMO, as much as I highly respect his products, the dev pulled a hissy fit over a mistake.
- yencabulator 2y ago
  So, half of what you say matters seems to be missing.
  - ForHackernews 2y ago
    They restored his extension (until he removed it again), what more do the Mozilla-haters want?
    - SSLy 2y ago
      An apology, a post mortem, and lessons learned and implemented so it doesn’t happen again.
- somerandom2407 2y ago
  The unpaid dev who produces something of value to users of Firefox. Removing the addon doesn't hurt him, and may hurt Firefox if people switch to Brave over this. Mozilla need to make changes to their review process or risk losing users.

yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago

> It's going to be much trickier for people to get uBO Lite onto their Firefox for Android installations now, or even if they can, they might just not bother. Why would they bother? Firefox - Android or desktop - runs full/regular uBo just fine.

AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
> Why would they bother? Firefox - Android or desktop - runs full/regular uBo just fine. gorhill himself stated[0]: > This is unfortunate because despite uBOL being more limited than uBO, there were people who preferred the Lite approach of uBOL, which was designed from the ground up to be an efficient suspendable extension, thus a good match for Firefox for Android. [0] https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/197#issuecomment-2377395301 https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/issues/197#issueco...

carlosjobim 2y ago

> I'm not sure what he gains from continued intransigence offers after Mozilla admits their mistake and apologizes. What would he gain from submission to Mozilla? Either way he gains $0 for all the work he's done to improve the Internet for millions of people.

AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
He gains Mozilla's distribution model and audience, which allows users of Firefox to download add-ons from their browser's UI and updates automatically, rather than having to manually pull an extension file from a Github page for each new release and install it.
- phoronixrly 2y ago
  That's a long-winded way to say $0
  - Crespyl 2y ago
    Time and effort are usually considered to be worth some amount of money.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      Time and effort is what he spends, $0 is what he gains.
  - AdmiralAsshat 2y ago
    You gain $0 for uploading your Linux package to yum/apt/dnf as well, but you recognize that there's value in being able to install such packages easily through a well-curated repository, no?
    - okanat 2y ago
      Well you, the programmer, usually don't upload it. Some package maintainer does it since they want your software and ideally they should handle the bug reports for their package as well.