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I lived off tips for years and those who say they should just be abolished don’t know anything about working in gastro/service - please check who takes care of

I lived off tips for years and those who say they should just be abolished don’t know anything about working in gastro/service - please check who takes care of your food and tip them or they will be replaced by a worse version soon.

graemep 2y ago
Care to explain further? You are just saying the rest of us do not know, but not explaining what we do not know.
- portaouflop 2y ago
  Im not here to educate you - just having strong opinions about a topic you know little about is maybe not warranted. It’s just like I would say „just write good software why do you keep producing bugs lmao“ - sure that would be nice but reality gets in the way.
donohoe 2y ago
I also lived off tips for many years and would rather see the system abolished - and have been paid a livable wage instead.
- graemep 2y ago
  People in minimum wage jobs (and it is now £11.44/hour for those over 21) that do hot have tips do live off the same wage without the tips.
- portaouflop 2y ago
  If that was an option sure - but the trend is more going towards no tips and fuck all to the worker - but hey HN seems to have it pretty good, so keep the downvotes coming
VBprogrammer 2y ago
I've never worked in food service. I did however do plenty of minimum wage retail type jobs and only occasionally got a tip, often for lifting something heavy for an older customer. Why is food service any different?
- astura 2y ago
  There's also non-tipped food service - fast food, cafeteria, counter service, dishwasher, cooks, management. The cook has a larger outcome on your experience dining out than the person who carries the food but they don't get tips.
  - s_dev 2y ago
    There are small number of places that have signs that state all tips are distributed equally amongst the staff -- I completely agree with this approach.
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    Where I worked we would split tips with back of the house, also with cooks, dishwasher - vivid not with mgmt lmao - maybe you had a different experience? Or are you just assuming things you know little about?
    - astura 2y ago
      > Or are you just assuming things you know little about? No, I've personally worked multiple food service jobs where I didn't get tips. You're the one just assuming things you know little about, because I did all my food service jobs in New York, which prohibits back of staff from being included in tip pools, by law.
      - portaouflop 2y ago
        So do you prefer places with tips or not ? I also worked at places that didn’t include the team in tips or had no tips at all - usually they also had a very toxic workplace in other areas unrelated to tipping
highwaylights 2y ago
That’s not a good argument, your problem should be with your employer not your customer paying what they were quoted.

graemep 2y ago

Care to explain further? You are just saying the rest of us do not know, but not explaining what we do not know.

portaouflop 2y ago
Im not here to educate you - just having strong opinions about a topic you know little about is maybe not warranted. It’s just like I would say „just write good software why do you keep producing bugs lmao“ - sure that would be nice but reality gets in the way.

donohoe 2y ago

I also lived off tips for many years and would rather see the system abolished - and have been paid a livable wage instead.

graemep 2y ago
People in minimum wage jobs (and it is now £11.44/hour for those over 21) that do hot have tips do live off the same wage without the tips.
portaouflop 2y ago
If that was an option sure - but the trend is more going towards no tips and fuck all to the worker - but hey HN seems to have it pretty good, so keep the downvotes coming

VBprogrammer 2y ago

I've never worked in food service. I did however do plenty of minimum wage retail type jobs and only occasionally got a tip, often for lifting something heavy for an older customer. Why is food service any different?

astura 2y ago
There's also non-tipped food service - fast food, cafeteria, counter service, dishwasher, cooks, management. The cook has a larger outcome on your experience dining out than the person who carries the food but they don't get tips.
- s_dev 2y ago
  There are small number of places that have signs that state all tips are distributed equally amongst the staff -- I completely agree with this approach.
- portaouflop 2y ago
  Where I worked we would split tips with back of the house, also with cooks, dishwasher - vivid not with mgmt lmao - maybe you had a different experience? Or are you just assuming things you know little about?
  - astura 2y ago
    > Or are you just assuming things you know little about? No, I've personally worked multiple food service jobs where I didn't get tips. You're the one just assuming things you know little about, because I did all my food service jobs in New York, which prohibits back of staff from being included in tip pools, by law.
    - portaouflop 2y ago
      So do you prefer places with tips or not ? I also worked at places that didn’t include the team in tips or had no tips at all - usually they also had a very toxic workplace in other areas unrelated to tipping

highwaylights 2y ago

That’s not a good argument, your problem should be with your employer not your customer paying what they were quoted.