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Modesty is a virtue shared by many cultures throughout the world. It is not exclusive to the US or Puritans. And the US is not a cultural monolith. Millions of

Modesty is a virtue shared by many cultures throughout the world. It is not exclusive to the US or Puritans. And the US is not a cultural monolith. Millions of people in the US do not hold modesty as a virtue.

black_knight 2y ago
It is true that modesty is not an exclusively US puritan ideal, but the US has a disproportionately strong cultural influence on other societies. In my neck of the woods we are much more relaxed about nakedness, and find the scandals in the US around this topic amusing. But for instance the lengths at which for instance facebook goes to to avoid nipples and penises feels more like an overstep in cultural freedom.
- ogurechny 2y ago
  Facepook is just another textbook example of bureaucracy breaking loose. Companies that give them money (for ads) declare that “content” (i. e. everything that exists in this world) can be “SFW” and “NSFW”, and they only want the former. Ergo, women don't have breasts. End of story. All the excuses and exceptions corporate human robots invent afterwards are just irrelevant icing on the cake. It would be fine to just ignore that stupidity, but people who spend time in that hellish environment adapt to it, and actually start to believe that there is some deep meaning to the rituals they have to make, and even invent their own explanations.
  - black_knight 2y ago
    Is the misspelling of FB an intentional Russian joke? I haven’t heard that one before, but I can probably not unhear it the next time I hear a Russian speaker say that word.
    - ogurechny 2y ago
      Sorry, that line was glued to my screen awaiting transmission, one letter fell down, then some illiterate peasant fixed it.
int_19h 2y ago
"Modesty" is culturally defined in the first place. What you would consider "modest" today often would be extremely immodest a century ago. And, conversely, some societies don't consider nudity to be immodest in and of itself.

black_knight 2y ago

It is true that modesty is not an exclusively US puritan ideal, but the US has a disproportionately strong cultural influence on other societies. In my neck of the woods we are much more relaxed about nakedness, and find the scandals in the US around this topic amusing. But for instance the lengths at which for instance facebook goes to to avoid nipples and penises feels more like an overstep in cultural freedom.

ogurechny 2y ago
Facepook is just another textbook example of bureaucracy breaking loose. Companies that give them money (for ads) declare that “content” (i. e. everything that exists in this world) can be “SFW” and “NSFW”, and they only want the former. Ergo, women don't have breasts. End of story. All the excuses and exceptions corporate human robots invent afterwards are just irrelevant icing on the cake. It would be fine to just ignore that stupidity, but people who spend time in that hellish environment adapt to it, and actually start to believe that there is some deep meaning to the rituals they have to make, and even invent their own explanations.
- black_knight 2y ago
  Is the misspelling of FB an intentional Russian joke? I haven’t heard that one before, but I can probably not unhear it the next time I hear a Russian speaker say that word.
  - ogurechny 2y ago
    Sorry, that line was glued to my screen awaiting transmission, one letter fell down, then some illiterate peasant fixed it.

int_19h 2y ago

"Modesty" is culturally defined in the first place. What you would consider "modest" today often would be extremely immodest a century ago. And, conversely, some societies don't consider nudity to be immodest in and of itself.