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I wouldn't go so far as to say the ux utterly sucks but it's certainly not something I've been able to recommend to most family and friends yet (I can't be too

I wouldn't go so far as to say the ux utterly sucks but it's certainly not something I've been able to recommend to most family and friends yet (I can't be too hard on matrix since I have to use Teams sometimes which is simply worse in pretty much every category I can think of, which is sad since the microsoft product teams replaced, skype for business, was itself light years behind teams). It's a bit unfortunate to see matrix still not there yet, but on the other hand I'm still hopeful for the future. I think ElementX is the result of realizing that an excellent chat experience is what is needed. I also think the matrix foundation governing board elections [0] show that the community agrees that a rock solid chat experience is what is needed. At least for the individual members category, none of the candidates who were elected had a platform statement advocating for more work on the experimental matrix features. Sumner (who I think had the highest support by a good margin, although I can't find the exact numbers right now) specifically stated that experimental matrix features should not receive further investment until the baseline features are acceptable. I realize that getting funding is a beast of its own and that is probably why some of the experimental things took focus at times so I can't fault that, but I really do want matrix to be something I can eventually recommend to all my family and friends instead of whatsapp or discord. I think it is slowly heading that way.. [0] https://matrix.org/blog/2024/06/election-results/ https://matrix.org/blog/2024/06/election-results/ [1] https://matrix.org/foundation/governing-board-elections/#nominees https://matrix.org/foundation/governing-board-elections/#nom...

nunobrito 2y ago
A single guy produced in a single year something more private and with a UI that doesn't suck: SimpleX. This Matrix case in my opinion is either lack of talent or intentional. One should never discard the second option when considering how governments tend to interfer in such tools and Matrix is quite sus on the funding side. In 5 years we've seen little to no remarkable progress. I'm not recommending this platform any further to anyone, other options have delivered what this one had been promissing for years. Time to move on.
- tourmalinetaco 2y ago
  Absolutely intentional. Various members of the Element community had been fighting tooth and nail for better emote support, and many implementations have been developed and tested, and even for the ones that followed the Matrix-backed MSCs and passed the necessary tests every single one was outright denied and more recently told that Element makes major money off of government interests so why listen to the desires of the people, even if they do all the work necessary for free anyway?
  - Arathorn 2y ago
    we’ve had to prioritise keeping the lights on by building stuff we can sell rather than merging custom emoji PRs. it’s a “please put on your own mask before helping others” kind-of thing. thanks for understanding…
    - nunobrito 2y ago
      Enough said when the priority is to please governments that throw money to you rather than the open source community submitting new features. As I've said before: won't be using your platform nor recommend it.
    - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
      There is zero logical reason you cannot do both, especially as a lab (which are all minimal value adds and have been broken for years). This has been open for 8 years. And there have been many people willing to implement it for free, who have gone out of their way to work around the painful busywork involved, where they would selflessly rework it as needed to fit within the MSC once the SCT fully approved one. Are you telling me that with the multi-millions of dollars you get from law enforcement, you cannot delegate a manager to, as a minor part time duty, oversee the free work given to you? Especially when the various Element apps have been in an effective maintenance mode for at minimum the last year? This sounds like either Element is run very poorly and despite the massive funds rolling in can barely maintain themselves, or there is a distinct distain for external work that does not generate immediate revenue for the company. Trust me, I understand full well what you’re saying. You’re maximizing profits with no care for the “freeloaders”. That’s fine, you can do that, but don’t act like I have to care.
pferde 2y ago
I installed a Matrix homeserver (private, separate and non-federating) for our family at the start of the covid lockdowns, and we've been happily using it ever since. "Recommending" anything is pretty much worthless. Stand them in front of a done thing that is already set up, that's worth a hundred times more.
- lukan 2y ago
  How much effort took that process and how many people are using it? I would like to do the same, but with the possibility of scaling it up a bit.
  - nehal3m 2y ago
    I did the same except federated and it's pretty easy if you have some experience with Ansible and Docker. This repo has a great Ansible playbook that will set up the whole thing for you on whatever VM or VPS you point it at: https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy/blob/master/docs/installing.md https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy/b...
  - pferde 2y ago
    I mean, I was still learning how Matrix works, so it took some trial and error - especially voice/video calls - so a few days of reading docs and doing. Later, though, I stood up my own Matrix server, this time federated, and that only took maybe an hour or two. :) I did not use the community Ansible playbook that someone else in this thread suggested, because I enjoyed instead figuring out how the individual pieces work together, but I tried it much later, and it seems to work very nicely, so I too can recommend it.
- grues-dinner 2y ago
  Meamwhile the Wikimedia foundation are still stuck on a fragmented mishmash of IRC for the old guard, and Discord or Telegram for the younger crowd who quite literally would rather not engage then forgo GIFs. You'd think they could dig into their hundreds of millions of donated dollars they don't even need and help Matrix and themselves but apparently not.

nunobrito 2y ago

A single guy produced in a single year something more private and with a UI that doesn't suck: SimpleX. This Matrix case in my opinion is either lack of talent or intentional. One should never discard the second option when considering how governments tend to interfer in such tools and Matrix is quite sus on the funding side. In 5 years we've seen little to no remarkable progress. I'm not recommending this platform any further to anyone, other options have delivered what this one had been promissing for years. Time to move on.

tourmalinetaco 2y ago
Absolutely intentional. Various members of the Element community had been fighting tooth and nail for better emote support, and many implementations have been developed and tested, and even for the ones that followed the Matrix-backed MSCs and passed the necessary tests every single one was outright denied and more recently told that Element makes major money off of government interests so why listen to the desires of the people, even if they do all the work necessary for free anyway?
- Arathorn 2y ago
  we’ve had to prioritise keeping the lights on by building stuff we can sell rather than merging custom emoji PRs. it’s a “please put on your own mask before helping others” kind-of thing. thanks for understanding…
  - nunobrito 2y ago
    Enough said when the priority is to please governments that throw money to you rather than the open source community submitting new features. As I've said before: won't be using your platform nor recommend it.
  - tourmalinetaco 2y ago
    There is zero logical reason you cannot do both, especially as a lab (which are all minimal value adds and have been broken for years). This has been open for 8 years. And there have been many people willing to implement it for free, who have gone out of their way to work around the painful busywork involved, where they would selflessly rework it as needed to fit within the MSC once the SCT fully approved one. Are you telling me that with the multi-millions of dollars you get from law enforcement, you cannot delegate a manager to, as a minor part time duty, oversee the free work given to you? Especially when the various Element apps have been in an effective maintenance mode for at minimum the last year? This sounds like either Element is run very poorly and despite the massive funds rolling in can barely maintain themselves, or there is a distinct distain for external work that does not generate immediate revenue for the company. Trust me, I understand full well what you’re saying. You’re maximizing profits with no care for the “freeloaders”. That’s fine, you can do that, but don’t act like I have to care.

pferde 2y ago

I installed a Matrix homeserver (private, separate and non-federating) for our family at the start of the covid lockdowns, and we've been happily using it ever since. "Recommending" anything is pretty much worthless. Stand them in front of a done thing that is already set up, that's worth a hundred times more.

lukan 2y ago
How much effort took that process and how many people are using it? I would like to do the same, but with the possibility of scaling it up a bit.
- nehal3m 2y ago
  I did the same except federated and it's pretty easy if you have some experience with Ansible and Docker. This repo has a great Ansible playbook that will set up the whole thing for you on whatever VM or VPS you point it at: https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy/blob/master/docs/installing.md https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy/b...
- pferde 2y ago
  I mean, I was still learning how Matrix works, so it took some trial and error - especially voice/video calls - so a few days of reading docs and doing. Later, though, I stood up my own Matrix server, this time federated, and that only took maybe an hour or two. :) I did not use the community Ansible playbook that someone else in this thread suggested, because I enjoyed instead figuring out how the individual pieces work together, but I tried it much later, and it seems to work very nicely, so I too can recommend it.
grues-dinner 2y ago
Meamwhile the Wikimedia foundation are still stuck on a fragmented mishmash of IRC for the old guard, and Discord or Telegram for the younger crowd who quite literally would rather not engage then forgo GIFs. You'd think they could dig into their hundreds of millions of donated dollars they don't even need and help Matrix and themselves but apparently not.