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It is a very good thing abandoned mines are closed. They are deadly and you should never go into one.

defrost 2y ago
As someone who is over 60 and who has been going into abandoned mines for 40 years can I ask why? What's next, no more bungy jumping, free climbing, surfing The Right, sinkhole diving, mustering cattle, etc?
- notheyarent 2y ago
  Yes. Those are all extremely dangerous activities and our public hospitals should not be carrying the burden
  - throwup238 2y ago
    I don’t think you understand what “mustering cattle” means...
    - defrost 2y ago
      Growing up in the Kimberley it was all Bull Buggies, Broomstick choppers, Quarter Horses and dirt bikes, all intrinsically a wee bit risky - but good practice for "grown up" geophys surveying in custom STOL crop dusters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-zWxDJOZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-zWxDJOZU
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        3:54 B taurus indicus begs to differ! (no oysters on the menu plz?) The guy who taught me to swing a Brunton was over four times my age, and whenever we were hiking in to a site he led us in: this basically meant we young vegetables would be frantically scrambling up to a nearby ridge so we could spot where he'd got to, only to eventually notice him waving cheerfully at us from the next ridge line over.
        defrost 2y ago
        Buuuut they roast up so fine :( 'Wee bit risky" is right, keep your head on a swivel and don't be on the quad bike when the irate bull flips it and all is okay. Your leading surveyor was very much our father when we were in single digits .. four hour long walks across rugged landscapes and down gorges with him as a barely visible dot waaaay up ahead. He's a lot slower now approaching 90 .. but can still split wood and shovel a tonne or two.
  - defrost 2y ago
    The ones we pay our taxes for? They're not exactly burdened by extreme sports injuries, most surfers, for example, are injured crossing roads, in car accidents, or at work falling off roofs, etc. ( source: one of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Stanley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Stanley conversations back in the day )
    - notheyarent 2y ago
      Citizens have an obligation to act responsibly when they partake in broad social contracts such as shared health care and insurance. Such a society must regulate access to areas of extreme danger (disused mines) to stop mentally unwell citizens from endangering themselves but more importantly endangering their fellow contract holders.
      - defrost 2y ago
        Nah, we're right there thanks mate. The whole inland gold belt region is filled with abandoned shafts and it's rare anyone falls down them. What's the cost benefit in fencing off tens of thousands of individual pre existing shafts and to what degree of robust security construstion do you recommend? More to the point, what's the tax payer out of pocket cost for that? You don't appear to have actually thought this through in any pragmatic sense.
- bhhaskin 2y ago
  The Nevada division of Minerals has some great info: https://minerals.nv.gov/Programs/AML/AML/ https://minerals.nv.gov/Programs/AML/AML/
  - defrost 2y ago
    The point of substance there is: Being uninformed may result in accidental injury or death. rather than your blanket advice to just avoid risk altogether. The Division of Minerals is legislatively mandated to conduct the State's AML program to identify inactive mines, rank their degree of hazard, and carry out activities to secure these sites Clearly people do go into abandoned minesites to evaluate their current state. The back end of https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/industries/metals-mining https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/industries/m... carried a much larger database of global abandoned mines withmore infomation on why production lapsed (a good number may still be economically feasible with modern techniques) that wasn't simply limited to Nevada. That data should still be there on request.

As someone who is over 60 and who has been going into abandoned mines for 40 years can I ask why? What's next, no more bungy jumping, free climbing, surfing The Right, sinkhole diving, mustering cattle, etc?

notheyarent 2y ago
Yes. Those are all extremely dangerous activities and our public hospitals should not be carrying the burden
- throwup238 2y ago
  I don’t think you understand what “mustering cattle” means...
  - defrost 2y ago
    Growing up in the Kimberley it was all Bull Buggies, Broomstick choppers, Quarter Horses and dirt bikes, all intrinsically a wee bit risky - but good practice for "grown up" geophys surveying in custom STOL crop dusters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-zWxDJOZU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B-zWxDJOZU
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      3:54 B taurus indicus begs to differ! (no oysters on the menu plz?) The guy who taught me to swing a Brunton was over four times my age, and whenever we were hiking in to a site he led us in: this basically meant we young vegetables would be frantically scrambling up to a nearby ridge so we could spot where he'd got to, only to eventually notice him waving cheerfully at us from the next ridge line over.
      - defrost 2y ago
        Buuuut they roast up so fine :( 'Wee bit risky" is right, keep your head on a swivel and don't be on the quad bike when the irate bull flips it and all is okay. Your leading surveyor was very much our father when we were in single digits .. four hour long walks across rugged landscapes and down gorges with him as a barely visible dot waaaay up ahead. He's a lot slower now approaching 90 .. but can still split wood and shovel a tonne or two.
- defrost 2y ago
  The ones we pay our taxes for? They're not exactly burdened by extreme sports injuries, most surfers, for example, are injured crossing roads, in car accidents, or at work falling off roofs, etc. ( source: one of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Stanley https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiona_Stanley conversations back in the day )
  - notheyarent 2y ago
    Citizens have an obligation to act responsibly when they partake in broad social contracts such as shared health care and insurance. Such a society must regulate access to areas of extreme danger (disused mines) to stop mentally unwell citizens from endangering themselves but more importantly endangering their fellow contract holders.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Nah, we're right there thanks mate. The whole inland gold belt region is filled with abandoned shafts and it's rare anyone falls down them. What's the cost benefit in fencing off tens of thousands of individual pre existing shafts and to what degree of robust security construstion do you recommend? More to the point, what's the tax payer out of pocket cost for that? You don't appear to have actually thought this through in any pragmatic sense.
bhhaskin 2y ago
The Nevada division of Minerals has some great info: https://minerals.nv.gov/Programs/AML/AML/ https://minerals.nv.gov/Programs/AML/AML/
- defrost 2y ago
  The point of substance there is: Being uninformed may result in accidental injury or death. rather than your blanket advice to just avoid risk altogether. The Division of Minerals is legislatively mandated to conduct the State's AML program to identify inactive mines, rank their degree of hazard, and carry out activities to secure these sites Clearly people do go into abandoned minesites to evaluate their current state. The back end of https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/industries/metals-mining https://www.spglobal.com/market-intelligence/en/industries/m... carried a much larger database of global abandoned mines withmore infomation on why production lapsed (a good number may still be economically feasible with modern techniques) that wasn't simply limited to Nevada. That data should still be there on request.