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Some previous related discussions on this: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41212788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41212788 ["The Shameful Defenes

by svat 2y ago

Some previous related discussions on this: * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41212788 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41212788 ["The Shameful Defenestration of Tim" by Chris McDonough] * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41515766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41515766 ["A Mess in the Python Community", lwn.net] * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41385546 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41385546 ["A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines"] * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41314393 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41314393 ["Calling for a Vote of No Confidence in the Python Steering Council"] * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41234180 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41234180 ["Core Python developer suspended for three months"] * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41187470 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41187470 ["Three month suspension for Python core developer"]

CoastalCoder 2y ago
My main source of information about this specific kerfuffle is from Chris McDonough's response, which seems pretty compelling to me. Can anyone point me to a detailed response from the other side? (Beyond their initial announcement, I mean.) Experience tells me to hear both sides of a story before buying a pitchfork.
- zahlman 2y ago
  Aside from what's publicly visible on the Discourse forum in the PSF and Committers sections (https://discuss.python.org/c/python-software-foundation/9 https://discuss.python.org/c/python-software-foundation/9 and https://discuss.python.org/c/committers/5 https://discuss.python.org/c/committers/5 respectively) I'm not aware of any formal statements, unless perhaps you count Steering Council updates (https://github.com/python/steering-council https://github.com/python/steering-council). The PSF runs a blog at https://pyfound.blogspot.com/ https://pyfound.blogspot.com/, but I see nothing substantial there there isn't entirely redundant (e.g. a copy-paste of the "Python’s Supportive and Welcoming Environment is Tightly Coupled to Its Progress" letter). I have seen commentary by a few of them on social media - mostly, per my impression, vague expressions of annoyance at the stress supposedly caused by Code of Conduct enforcement (note that in the post announcing my ban, Mr. Langa disclosed an unusually high recent volume of forum flags: approximately one per moderator per day) and at people having opinions differing from their own. Edit: since I was looking things up to assemble the above links - I notice that Ethan Furman has made a further complaint about Mr. Peters' treatment in absentia: https://discuss.python.org/t/soliciting-feedback-from-a-suspended-member/65103 https://discuss.python.org/t/soliciting-feedback-from-a-susp...

by svat 2y ago

CoastalCoder 2y ago

My main source of information about this specific kerfuffle is from Chris McDonough's response, which seems pretty compelling to me. Can anyone point me to a detailed response from the other side? (Beyond their initial announcement, I mean.) Experience tells me to hear both sides of a story before buying a pitchfork.

zahlman 2y ago
Aside from what's publicly visible on the Discourse forum in the PSF and Committers sections (https://discuss.python.org/c/python-software-foundation/9 https://discuss.python.org/c/python-software-foundation/9 and https://discuss.python.org/c/committers/5 https://discuss.python.org/c/committers/5 respectively) I'm not aware of any formal statements, unless perhaps you count Steering Council updates (https://github.com/python/steering-council https://github.com/python/steering-council). The PSF runs a blog at https://pyfound.blogspot.com/ https://pyfound.blogspot.com/, but I see nothing substantial there there isn't entirely redundant (e.g. a copy-paste of the "Python’s Supportive and Welcoming Environment is Tightly Coupled to Its Progress" letter). I have seen commentary by a few of them on social media - mostly, per my impression, vague expressions of annoyance at the stress supposedly caused by Code of Conduct enforcement (note that in the post announcing my ban, Mr. Langa disclosed an unusually high recent volume of forum flags: approximately one per moderator per day) and at people having opinions differing from their own. Edit: since I was looking things up to assemble the above links - I notice that Ethan Furman has made a further complaint about Mr. Peters' treatment in absentia: https://discuss.python.org/t/soliciting-feedback-from-a-suspended-member/65103 https://discuss.python.org/t/soliciting-feedback-from-a-susp...