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The only issue I have with MusicBrainz is that they generally use correct grammar/spelling/style over what the artist uses themself. For example, "accapella" ->

The only issue I have with MusicBrainz is that they generally use correct grammar/spelling/style over what the artist uses themself. For example, "accapella" -> "a cappella" or "Remix" -> "remix".

mmh0000 2y ago
Arguably... That shouldn't be the case. Their style guide says: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle If you ask yourself in what style something should be entered into MusicBrainz, the following principles apply: Follow Artist intent. If no definite proof can be found for the correct spelling/punctuation, the most common version should be used. Follow the style guidelines. https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style
- Morizero 2y ago
  Yep, and yet I still have had people "correct" my edits
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  The artist "intent" is often misguided. CD-Text usually is assumed to be CP1252 99% of the time where I frequently see punctuation misused for "style" purposes. My biggest peeve is right single quote being used as a fancy apostrophe when that is an inappropriate substitution.
  - teddyh 2y ago
    Are you claiming that ’ (Unicode code point 002019) is not suitable as an apostrophe? In that case, what is? The classic ASCII 000027? Isn’t that one straight? (As opposed to ’, which is slanted correctly.) Or are you perhaps thinking of ´ (Unicode code point 0000B4, ACUTE ACCENT)? Yes, that one is ugly and should not be used as either an apostrophe or a right quote.
    - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
      You use ASCII apostrophe and render with an appropriate font if you want it skewed.
      - teddyh 2y ago
        The reference glyph for ' (code point 000027) <https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf> shows a straight rendering. Any Unicode font rendering it differently can reasonably be said to be rendering it incorrectly.
      - aerozol 2y ago
        This does not work, because the “right-skewed” apostrophe is not appropriate for every case of “straight” apostrophe placement. However, making every “skewed” apostrophe “straight” is very easy for a computer to do (e.g. MusicBrainz Picard ships with a setting for this). This is why the MB guidelines say to prefer correct typographical apostrophes. Note that they are preferred and not required, so you can still enter straight ones, but another editor may update them. I honestly don’t see the problem, but I am very pedantic about other things so I guess I can imagine how seeing the curlies could rub you the wrong way!
- lazybookwyrm 2y ago
  "remix" would be an example of extra title information as outlined here https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles. "Titles and subtitles of mixes/versions are formatted according to the appropriate language's guidelines; the other parts of this extra information should be in lower case except for words that would normally be capitalized in the language." "acapella" would technically be considered a spelling error, which is something that we correct. This article does a good job explaining what artist intent means: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle/Error_correction_and_artist_intent https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle/Error_correction...
Narushia 2y ago
Interestingly, this is not the case with Japanese artists.[1] I've viewed/edited/added many Japanese entries on MB, and the names and spellings for them are usually always spelled exactly as they appear on the official release. [1] https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Language/Japanese https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Language/Japanese
sumtechguy 2y ago
I noticed that with the artist names. However, I think that comes partially from the albums themselves if the info is in the inserts. It is one thing I wish picard would do better with artists and aliases. Then give you an option/plugin to pick the one you like. Maybe it does. Havent, touched it in a few years.

The only issue I have with MusicBrainz is that they generally use correct grammar/spelling/style over what the artist uses themself. For example, "accapella" -> "a cappella" or "Remix" -> "remix".

mmh0000 2y ago

Arguably... That shouldn't be the case. Their style guide says: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle If you ask yourself in what style something should be entered into MusicBrainz, the following principles apply: Follow Artist intent. If no definite proof can be found for the correct spelling/punctuation, the most common version should be used. Follow the style guidelines. https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style

Morizero 2y ago
Yep, and yet I still have had people "correct" my edits
kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
The artist "intent" is often misguided. CD-Text usually is assumed to be CP1252 99% of the time where I frequently see punctuation misused for "style" purposes. My biggest peeve is right single quote being used as a fancy apostrophe when that is an inappropriate substitution.
- teddyh 2y ago
  Are you claiming that ’ (Unicode code point 002019) is not suitable as an apostrophe? In that case, what is? The classic ASCII 000027? Isn’t that one straight? (As opposed to ’, which is slanted correctly.) Or are you perhaps thinking of ´ (Unicode code point 0000B4, ACUTE ACCENT)? Yes, that one is ugly and should not be used as either an apostrophe or a right quote.
  - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
    You use ASCII apostrophe and render with an appropriate font if you want it skewed.
    - teddyh 2y ago
      The reference glyph for ' (code point 000027) <https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf> shows a straight rendering. Any Unicode font rendering it differently can reasonably be said to be rendering it incorrectly.
    - aerozol 2y ago
      This does not work, because the “right-skewed” apostrophe is not appropriate for every case of “straight” apostrophe placement. However, making every “skewed” apostrophe “straight” is very easy for a computer to do (e.g. MusicBrainz Picard ships with a setting for this). This is why the MB guidelines say to prefer correct typographical apostrophes. Note that they are preferred and not required, so you can still enter straight ones, but another editor may update them. I honestly don’t see the problem, but I am very pedantic about other things so I guess I can imagine how seeing the curlies could rub you the wrong way!
lazybookwyrm 2y ago
"remix" would be an example of extra title information as outlined here https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Titles. "Titles and subtitles of mixes/versions are formatted according to the appropriate language's guidelines; the other parts of this extra information should be in lower case except for words that would normally be capitalized in the language." "acapella" would technically be considered a spelling error, which is something that we correct. This article does a good job explaining what artist intent means: https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle/Error_correction_and_artist_intent https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Principle/Error_correction...

Narushia 2y ago

Interestingly, this is not the case with Japanese artists.[1] I've viewed/edited/added many Japanese entries on MB, and the names and spellings for them are usually always spelled exactly as they appear on the official release. [1] https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Language/Japanese https://musicbrainz.org/doc/Style/Language/Japanese

sumtechguy 2y ago

I noticed that with the artist names. However, I think that comes partially from the albums themselves if the info is in the inserts. It is one thing I wish picard would do better with artists and aliases. Then give you an option/plugin to pick the one you like. Maybe it does. Havent, touched it in a few years.