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> A guitar doesn't make the musician, and the hammer doesn't make the carpenter. A good guitar player or a good carpenter sure as shit know a good tool from a

> A guitar doesn't make the musician, and the hammer doesn't make the carpenter. A good guitar player or a good carpenter sure as shit know a good tool from a bad tool. Good tools are force multipliers and can can make somebody much better than without the tool. Plus bad tools can actively keep people away from learning new things. A shitty soldering iron can absolutely convince somebody they suck at soldering. Sure a pro can make use of a shitty soldering iron but they won’t do it willingly and their output will be subpar. Same with cooking and bad knives. Same with anything. The argument that “tools don’t make somebody good” is pretty silly. They absolutely do.

CrimsonCape 2y ago
Remember folks, when Apple says that a video they present is "shot on iPhone" it comes with many many many disclaimers.
gregmac 2y ago
> The argument that “tools don’t make somebody good” is pretty silly. They absolutely do. I disagree, but only because I'd rephrase what you're saying as "good tools are force multipliers for skilled people". You can give a beginner musician the most expensive guitar rig, and they'll still sound like a beginner. I also never said what you're arguing against. The GP was essentially complaining that using vscode would hamstring their career because their skill would be in something Microsoft could take away. What I was trying to say is the reason programmers get paid isn't because they're good at using their IDE, it's because they're good at programming. I believe the GP's concern is misplaced. Consider: Do you go to a restaurant because their chef uses expensive high-end knives, or because they have good food?
- kragen 2y ago
  that is not what i was complaining about, essentially or otherwise; you can resolve your unfortunate confusion by reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695702, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41699450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41699450, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695744, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41696512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41696512, or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695764, all of which i posted before your comment above in which you baselessly attribute to me the most brain-damaged knuckle-dragging strawman viewpoint possible i wrote one of those comments specifically in response to your comment, in order to correct your misreading of mine, so you really have no excuse whatsoever for not having read it

CrimsonCape 2y ago

Remember folks, when Apple says that a video they present is "shot on iPhone" it comes with many many many disclaimers.

gregmac 2y ago

> The argument that “tools don’t make somebody good” is pretty silly. They absolutely do. I disagree, but only because I'd rephrase what you're saying as "good tools are force multipliers for skilled people". You can give a beginner musician the most expensive guitar rig, and they'll still sound like a beginner. I also never said what you're arguing against. The GP was essentially complaining that using vscode would hamstring their career because their skill would be in something Microsoft could take away. What I was trying to say is the reason programmers get paid isn't because they're good at using their IDE, it's because they're good at programming. I believe the GP's concern is misplaced. Consider: Do you go to a restaurant because their chef uses expensive high-end knives, or because they have good food?

kragen 2y ago
that is not what i was complaining about, essentially or otherwise; you can resolve your unfortunate confusion by reading https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695702, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41699450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41699450, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695744 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695744, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41696512 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41696512, or https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695764 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41695764, all of which i posted before your comment above in which you baselessly attribute to me the most brain-damaged knuckle-dragging strawman viewpoint possible i wrote one of those comments specifically in response to your comment, in order to correct your misreading of mine, so you really have no excuse whatsoever for not having read it