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What is the reasoning behind the fork?

by r0n22 2y ago

okkdev 2y ago
Godot expressed support for LGBTQ+, so the alt-right had to fork their own.
- big-green-man 2y ago
  That's a disingenuous take. Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects, because of ideological disagreement.
  - vfclists 2y ago
    Evidence?
    - big-green-man 2y ago
      https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m Also see the conversations involving that individual today.
      - srid 2y ago
        To readers without access to X, https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/godot-engine-user-blocking-controversy-wokot https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/godot-engine-user-bloc...
  - ActionHank 2y ago
    Only reports I’ve seen mention being blocked in twitter. If that’s a thing you care about that deeply you probably should be blocked.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - big-green-man 2y ago
      If what's a thing you care about deeply?
  - archagon 2y ago
    What does it mean to “block” developers from accessing an open source repo? I can go to https://github.com/godotengine/godot https://github.com/godotengine/godot and clone it without even making an account. A total tempest in a teapot.
    - big-green-man 2y ago
      It means this https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m
      - archagon 2y ago
        If someone's knowledge of software licenses and distributed version control is so limited that they can't figure out a way to bypass this "block," then I'm not sure they're cut out for the rigors of video game development.
        big-green-man 2y ago
        That's beside the point.
        archagon 2y ago
        You said that "Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects." In fact, no devs are blocked from getting updates for their projects.
        ultra_chad 2y ago
        They are, in fact.
        dminik 2y ago
        They in fact aren't. First, getting blocked on GitHub doesn't remove your access to the repository. You can still see and fork the code. You just can't comment in issues and discussions. Second, no actual developer of Godot has been blocked. Random people harassing the contributors have been blocked.
  - okkdev 2y ago
    It's not an exhaustive take, but what it boils down to. Also the Github blocking is false and has been disproven.
  - whoknowsidont 2y ago
    >Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects No, that's not how any of this works. But nice try.
    - ultra_chad 2y ago
      Everything he said is correct, of course. But nice try.
- blashyrk 2y ago
  Way to disengenously misrepresent what happened, which in of itself is truly a staple of certain kind of online activism. Bra-vo!
  - okkdev 2y ago
    I beg to differ.
- 0x_rs 2y ago
  Verifiably false. Godot's new community manager chimed in a mongolian horse-rider simulator discussion [0] that had nothing to do with it (but UE5), claimed the engine to have become "wokot" and immediately proceeded to block every single account expressing any criticism from questioning stirring useless drama online to fixing the engine, quoting its founder, or having never interacted with the account at all, and then proceeded to thoroughly lie in their official statement. The project has always been leaning into supporting such communities, and that was never an issue for the majority of people at large until this pointless tantrum that ultimately just brought worldwide attention to its community management issues. 0. https://x.com/godotengine/status/1839795089121403320 https://x.com/godotengine/status/1839795089121403320
  - pachorizons 2y ago
    It might have been useful to include the Godot Foundation's statement on the issue, as it directly acknowledges this. https://www.reddit.com/r/godot/comments/1fsvcdg/from_the_godot_foundation_board/ https://www.reddit.com/r/godot/comments/1fsvcdg/from_the_god...
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      oi. Crazy how I really haven't checked much into Godot's community since early pandemic but the exact same names always come up causing drama. So the official Godot twitter fell for the lowest quality troll bait to start a flame war, and in the crossfire they banned several people who were in fact not harassing staff. On top of that, a particular unoffical discord moderator fanned the flames, causing a fallout of some devs, and then others in the crossfire. The CEO basically dug his head in the sand for all this. Did I get that right? You'd think a proper CM would know that those "callouts" rarely end well. Especially on Twitter. More reasons companies won't be open about their creative works and instead live in an ivory tower. To be frank this is all a bit stupid and disappointing. I knew for a while that Godot's contributions can be overly hardheaded and blocked a lot of useful optimizations, so I was expecting this fork to be more of a call to have the engine focus more on iterating faster and being more performant. But alas, Twitter continues to unjustify its own existence.
    - 2y ago

What is the reasoning behind the fork?

by r0n22 2y ago

What is the reasoning behind the fork?

okkdev 2y ago

Godot expressed support for LGBTQ+, so the alt-right had to fork their own.

big-green-man 2y ago
That's a disingenuous take. Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects, because of ideological disagreement.
- vfclists 2y ago
  Evidence?
  - big-green-man 2y ago
    https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m Also see the conversations involving that individual today.
    - srid 2y ago
      To readers without access to X, https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/godot-engine-user-blocking-controversy-wokot https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/events/godot-engine-user-bloc...
- ActionHank 2y ago
  Only reports I’ve seen mention being blocked in twitter. If that’s a thing you care about that deeply you probably should be blocked.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - big-green-man 2y ago
    If what's a thing you care about deeply?
- archagon 2y ago
  What does it mean to “block” developers from accessing an open source repo? I can go to https://github.com/godotengine/godot https://github.com/godotengine/godot and clone it without even making an account. A total tempest in a teapot.
  - big-green-man 2y ago
    It means this https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m https://x.com/anthonywaldz/status/1840345290228047911#m
    - archagon 2y ago
      If someone's knowledge of software licenses and distributed version control is so limited that they can't figure out a way to bypass this "block," then I'm not sure they're cut out for the rigors of video game development.
      - big-green-man 2y ago
        That's beside the point.
        archagon 2y ago
        You said that "Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects." In fact, no devs are blocked from getting updates for their projects.
        ultra_chad 2y ago
        They are, in fact.
        dminik 2y ago
        They in fact aren't. First, getting blocked on GitHub doesn't remove your access to the repository. You can still see and fork the code. You just can't comment in issues and discussions. Second, no actual developer of Godot has been blocked. Random people harassing the contributors have been blocked.
- okkdev 2y ago
  It's not an exhaustive take, but what it boils down to. Also the Github blocking is false and has been disproven.
- whoknowsidont 2y ago
  >Godot is blocking devs on github, preventing them from getting updates for their projects No, that's not how any of this works. But nice try.
  - ultra_chad 2y ago
    Everything he said is correct, of course. But nice try.
blashyrk 2y ago
Way to disengenously misrepresent what happened, which in of itself is truly a staple of certain kind of online activism. Bra-vo!
- okkdev 2y ago
  I beg to differ.
0x_rs 2y ago
Verifiably false. Godot's new community manager chimed in a mongolian horse-rider simulator discussion [0] that had nothing to do with it (but UE5), claimed the engine to have become "wokot" and immediately proceeded to block every single account expressing any criticism from questioning stirring useless drama online to fixing the engine, quoting its founder, or having never interacted with the account at all, and then proceeded to thoroughly lie in their official statement. The project has always been leaning into supporting such communities, and that was never an issue for the majority of people at large until this pointless tantrum that ultimately just brought worldwide attention to its community management issues. 0. https://x.com/godotengine/status/1839795089121403320 https://x.com/godotengine/status/1839795089121403320
- pachorizons 2y ago
  It might have been useful to include the Godot Foundation's statement on the issue, as it directly acknowledges this. https://www.reddit.com/r/godot/comments/1fsvcdg/from_the_godot_foundation_board/ https://www.reddit.com/r/godot/comments/1fsvcdg/from_the_god...
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    oi. Crazy how I really haven't checked much into Godot's community since early pandemic but the exact same names always come up causing drama. So the official Godot twitter fell for the lowest quality troll bait to start a flame war, and in the crossfire they banned several people who were in fact not harassing staff. On top of that, a particular unoffical discord moderator fanned the flames, causing a fallout of some devs, and then others in the crossfire. The CEO basically dug his head in the sand for all this. Did I get that right? You'd think a proper CM would know that those "callouts" rarely end well. Especially on Twitter. More reasons companies won't be open about their creative works and instead live in an ivory tower. To be frank this is all a bit stupid and disappointing. I knew for a while that Godot's contributions can be overly hardheaded and blocked a lot of useful optimizations, so I was expecting this fork to be more of a call to have the engine focus more on iterating faster and being more performant. But alas, Twitter continues to unjustify its own existence.
  - 2y ago