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> What tangible policy can you show for this? Not rhetoric - actual legislation. Does this qualify? “China and Brazil to launch 'Friends of Peace' platform to

by af78 2y ago

> What tangible policy can you show for this? Not rhetoric - actual legislation. Does this qualify? “China and Brazil to launch 'Friends of Peace' platform to resolve 'Ukraine conflict'” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-and-brazil-to-launch-friends-of-peace-platform-to-resolve-ukraine-conflict/ar-AA1rjzkp https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-and-brazil-to-lau...

alephnerd 2y ago
Not really, becuase that's not legislation. Furthermore, NATO+ Members like Switzerland joined that initiative and praised it as well [0]. I lean hawkish on China (as several on HN know), but Ukraine is a bad litmus test for validating nation's sentiments about China. The brutal honest truth is Ukraine has fought well, but they need to negotiate on terms that the international community provides, because everyone has a higher priority great power struggle to deal with. For most of the world, Ukraine is not their problem. Even Ukrainian leadership recognizes this and are leveraging China and India (companies owned by conglomerates from both countries are the largest employers in Ukraine) to try and find a middle ground with Russia [1] Countries line Brazil are regional powers, and they are negotiating on their terms - not in favor of one nation or the other. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/switzerland-praises-china-brazil-peace-plan-ukraine-2024-09-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/switzerland-praises-chi... [1] - https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-india-russia-narendra-modi-volodymyr-zelenskyy-vladimir-putin-peace-kyiv/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-india-russia-narendr...
- af78 2y ago
  Ukraine did negotiate from 2014 to 2022 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_Format). Everyone knows what it lead to. It is now clear that, unless backed by strong security guarantees like NATO membership or non-NATO allied status, these so-called “peace initiatives” would amount to national suicide for Ukraine. This is why Ukrainians reject them. China and Brazil do not stand for peace. They are just on the other side.
  - alephnerd 2y ago
    The brutally honest truth is no one in the global south cares about Ukraine. They are using these peace initiatives to cement their own claims at great power status.

by af78 2y ago

alephnerd 2y ago

Not really, becuase that's not legislation. Furthermore, NATO+ Members like Switzerland joined that initiative and praised it as well [0]. I lean hawkish on China (as several on HN know), but Ukraine is a bad litmus test for validating nation's sentiments about China. The brutal honest truth is Ukraine has fought well, but they need to negotiate on terms that the international community provides, because everyone has a higher priority great power struggle to deal with. For most of the world, Ukraine is not their problem. Even Ukrainian leadership recognizes this and are leveraging China and India (companies owned by conglomerates from both countries are the largest employers in Ukraine) to try and find a middle ground with Russia [1] Countries line Brazil are regional powers, and they are negotiating on their terms - not in favor of one nation or the other. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/switzerland-praises-china-brazil-peace-plan-ukraine-2024-09-28/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/switzerland-praises-chi... [1] - https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-india-russia-narendra-modi-volodymyr-zelenskyy-vladimir-putin-peace-kyiv/ https://www.politico.eu/article/ukraine-india-russia-narendr...

af78 2y ago
Ukraine did negotiate from 2014 to 2022 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minsk_agreements, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_Format https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_Format). Everyone knows what it lead to. It is now clear that, unless backed by strong security guarantees like NATO membership or non-NATO allied status, these so-called “peace initiatives” would amount to national suicide for Ukraine. This is why Ukrainians reject them. China and Brazil do not stand for peace. They are just on the other side.
- alephnerd 2y ago
  The brutally honest truth is no one in the global south cares about Ukraine. They are using these peace initiatives to cement their own claims at great power status.