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> Microsoft has no such obligation You and I are using different meanings of this word. Presumably you are referring to a legal obligation, or a moral one. I d

> Microsoft has no such obligation You and I are using different meanings of this word. Presumably you are referring to a legal obligation, or a moral one. I don't recognize the existence of morality and I suspect that, unless they have a "Windows 8 Ready" tag on the machine, no legal obligation would exist either. The "obligation" I am speaking of is an expectation formed in the minds of average consumers to the point where they consider it a fault on the part of the software manufacturer when the expectation is not met. > Dell ... How old was the machine? There's a big difference in most consumers' expectations between failing to support N-year old devices and devices that are currently selling.

wvenable 14y ago
> The "obligation" I am speaking of is an expectation... Obligation is a legal or moral term -- you can't use that term otherwise. An expectation is not an obligation. If you expect free cookies from me because I've been giving you free cookies every day for the past week, that's fine. But I'm not obligated to give you free cookies today. If Bob gives you free cookies and I'm now sitting in Bob's desk, you might expect free cookies but I'm not obligated to give them to you. Microsoft provides updates out of the goodness of their heart. You might expect them to continue giving updates forever. They're not obligated to do that. And because they give updates, Google isn't obligated to do it too. If you'd like your expectations to be met, find Bob and he might give you some cookies.
- jamesaguilar 14y ago
  I guess we have reached an impasse. We'll see how well this approach works out for Google in the long run. I'm inclined to suspect it is hurting them as it would probably hurt Microsoft if they started breaking backwards compatibility with every OS release. But reality will have to be the arbiter of whether this theory is correct. Also, IMO, the term social obligation is pretty well understood. It's an expectation of your behavior by others.
  - wvenable 14y ago
    > We'll see how well this approach works out for Google in the long run. You make it seem like Google want this but I seriously doubt that they do. They simply don't have any say in the matter. They gave the carriers and the manufacturers everything they wanted to get into the market and now they can't close the barn door after the horses have run out. So instead they have their Nexus devices. > social obligation is pretty well understood Social obligation is also a moral term and it means more than just doing what people expect you to do because they are spoiled.
  - Bjartr 14y ago
    Do you believe that Google doesn't want all Android users to have the latest and greatest? The more people happy with Android, the more people using Android, the more people seeing Google provided ads, which was the whole point of starting Android in the first place.
  - wslh 14y ago
    I loved this thread. I am beginning to hate Google. I don't care about words and explanations: I remember updating my iPhone "1" a little while after the Apple event, While just updating my Samsung Galaxi SII to ICS a few weeks ago with shitty Movistar stuff bundled and where they even removed the "native" browser and you must go to the search option tocopen it. Sure I can now install Chrome but I discovered that Opera works better than Firefox and Chrome! (hilarious? I can't submit to HN with these last two). And everyday I trigger vlingo shit because I pressed two times the home button and can't be disabled! (vlingo posted a solution that don't work on their websites). I don't want a Ferrari that is not leaving its potential.

wvenable 14y ago

> The "obligation" I am speaking of is an expectation... Obligation is a legal or moral term -- you can't use that term otherwise. An expectation is not an obligation. If you expect free cookies from me because I've been giving you free cookies every day for the past week, that's fine. But I'm not obligated to give you free cookies today. If Bob gives you free cookies and I'm now sitting in Bob's desk, you might expect free cookies but I'm not obligated to give them to you. Microsoft provides updates out of the goodness of their heart. You might expect them to continue giving updates forever. They're not obligated to do that. And because they give updates, Google isn't obligated to do it too. If you'd like your expectations to be met, find Bob and he might give you some cookies.

jamesaguilar 14y ago
I guess we have reached an impasse. We'll see how well this approach works out for Google in the long run. I'm inclined to suspect it is hurting them as it would probably hurt Microsoft if they started breaking backwards compatibility with every OS release. But reality will have to be the arbiter of whether this theory is correct. Also, IMO, the term social obligation is pretty well understood. It's an expectation of your behavior by others.
- wvenable 14y ago
  > We'll see how well this approach works out for Google in the long run. You make it seem like Google want this but I seriously doubt that they do. They simply don't have any say in the matter. They gave the carriers and the manufacturers everything they wanted to get into the market and now they can't close the barn door after the horses have run out. So instead they have their Nexus devices. > social obligation is pretty well understood Social obligation is also a moral term and it means more than just doing what people expect you to do because they are spoiled.
- Bjartr 14y ago
  Do you believe that Google doesn't want all Android users to have the latest and greatest? The more people happy with Android, the more people using Android, the more people seeing Google provided ads, which was the whole point of starting Android in the first place.
- wslh 14y ago
  I loved this thread. I am beginning to hate Google. I don't care about words and explanations: I remember updating my iPhone "1" a little while after the Apple event, While just updating my Samsung Galaxi SII to ICS a few weeks ago with shitty Movistar stuff bundled and where they even removed the "native" browser and you must go to the search option tocopen it. Sure I can now install Chrome but I discovered that Opera works better than Firefox and Chrome! (hilarious? I can't submit to HN with these last two). And everyday I trigger vlingo shit because I pressed two times the home button and can't be disabled! (vlingo posted a solution that don't work on their websites). I don't want a Ferrari that is not leaving its potential.