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The Mission is a variegated place. It's been undergoing gentrification for 4 decades but it never seems to get there - so much so that you could say that that's

The Mission is a variegated place. It's been undergoing gentrification for 4 decades but it never seems to get there - so much so that you could say that that's become its "thing." The exact location where the phone is placed makes a huge difference. Going from Valencia to Shotwell to the BART plazas to the Latino bars and back to the hills your soundtrack would change quite a few times.

azinman2 2y ago
Where does gentrification begin and end? The mission went from Ohlone to Spanish to German/Irish/Italian immigrants, then Mexican immigrants, then Central American, then LGBT, then wider punks/misfits and other immigrants including Filipinos, before the techies started moving in. I don’t really understand this term because it seems to suggest before a richer class moves into an area it displaces “the true inhabitants,” but those true inhabitants have almost always displaced someone else.
- worstspotgain 2y ago
  It involves a massive increase in housing prices, primarily brought about by artificial supply restrictions, that results in unintentional displacement. The reason the Mission is still variegated is rent control, along with various forms of affordable housing, housesharing, master tenant slumlords, SROs, extended family arrangements, etc. It's a pretty unique and amazing place really.
  - wozniacki 2y ago
    Yeah I'm sure handshake politics goes a long way in these neighborhoods often to the detriment of the unsuspecting, unconnected and un-special-interest-group attached renters and owners. [1] Protesters Gather at Google Lawyer’s Apartments https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-google-lawyers-apartment-house/ https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-google...
    - worstspotgain 2y ago
      Ellis evictions suck particularly hard because they can happen out of the blue for any building, even if you chose one suited for long tenancies. I don't know what percentage results in protests, but it's quite a few. Some of the contested ones fail on technical grounds before they get to the protest stage [1]. [1] https://sftu.org/ellis/ https://sftu.org/ellis/
convolvatron 2y ago
from the example it didn't detect any music between 11:30pm and 9:30am. I don't know what corner of the mission that could possibly be.
- nemothekid 2y ago
  >from the example it didn't detect any music between 11:30pm and 9:30am I thought it might have died because the site mentioned it is solar powered.
  - rconti 2y ago
    Battery only got down to 70% overnight, from another thread here.
asveikau 2y ago
The amount of gentrification in the Mission varies a lot based on where you go. I volunteer on 24th st. weekly, something I've been doing since 2019. The crowd at the volunteering is mostly immigrants. I am white, native English speaker but I speak decent Spanish. It's mind boggling to me sometimes how the two communities exist in nearly the same space but don't often overlap. I remember one time I went into a restaurant and they engaged with me in Spanish right off the bat, we never switched to English, I got a table to dine-in and they waited on me and it felt pretty much like dining at a restaurant like in travels I've had in central America... A few months later I brought a friend to the same place and I ended up getting a 100% gringo restaurant experience. Another place down the street and the cashier is like some very pale upper midwest looking hipstery guy who looks "whiter than me", and it felt like a totally different world, one that didn't overlap at all with description above.
- loxias 2y ago
  Just offering another point of data, your observation of the "same space with no overlap" and the anecdote about the restaurant hits so true for me! Almost the exactly same thing happened to me, Spanish nearly the whole time. Later, with a coworker, 100% gringo experience. Hilarious! The alternation between places like this as you walk up 24th always struck me as notable. This couldn't have been later than 2011, at which time the zeitgeist was replete with jabs at the ongoing gentrification. :)
  - bigiain 2y ago
    Had to re read that last sentence several times, initially assuming you were talking about the biker/dive bar down on Valencia and Duboce.
    - worstspotgain 2y ago
      That's funny, I was heading uptown the other day, sipping on an elixir and thinking about shaving another kilowatt off my bill, when some casanova got out of a phone booth and asked me for directions to the daytona 500 club or some other make out room. I lolo'd out loud and docs clocked him in the teeth. Pretty sure he had to change his napper tandy after that.
pugworthy 2y ago
I'm not a Bay Area person, but was visiting a few months ago and got a new tattoo at Rose & Thorn right off the 16th BART station. Took a walk around waiting for the appointment and it's crazy how fast the vibe changes from block to block.

azinman2 2y ago

Where does gentrification begin and end? The mission went from Ohlone to Spanish to German/Irish/Italian immigrants, then Mexican immigrants, then Central American, then LGBT, then wider punks/misfits and other immigrants including Filipinos, before the techies started moving in. I don’t really understand this term because it seems to suggest before a richer class moves into an area it displaces “the true inhabitants,” but those true inhabitants have almost always displaced someone else.

worstspotgain 2y ago
It involves a massive increase in housing prices, primarily brought about by artificial supply restrictions, that results in unintentional displacement. The reason the Mission is still variegated is rent control, along with various forms of affordable housing, housesharing, master tenant slumlords, SROs, extended family arrangements, etc. It's a pretty unique and amazing place really.
- wozniacki 2y ago
  Yeah I'm sure handshake politics goes a long way in these neighborhoods often to the detriment of the unsuspecting, unconnected and un-special-interest-group attached renters and owners. [1] Protesters Gather at Google Lawyer’s Apartments https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-google-lawyers-apartment-house/ https://missionlocal.org/2014/04/protesters-gather-at-google...
  - worstspotgain 2y ago
    Ellis evictions suck particularly hard because they can happen out of the blue for any building, even if you chose one suited for long tenancies. I don't know what percentage results in protests, but it's quite a few. Some of the contested ones fail on technical grounds before they get to the protest stage [1]. [1] https://sftu.org/ellis/ https://sftu.org/ellis/

convolvatron 2y ago

from the example it didn't detect any music between 11:30pm and 9:30am. I don't know what corner of the mission that could possibly be.

nemothekid 2y ago
>from the example it didn't detect any music between 11:30pm and 9:30am I thought it might have died because the site mentioned it is solar powered.
- rconti 2y ago
  Battery only got down to 70% overnight, from another thread here.

asveikau 2y ago

The amount of gentrification in the Mission varies a lot based on where you go. I volunteer on 24th st. weekly, something I've been doing since 2019. The crowd at the volunteering is mostly immigrants. I am white, native English speaker but I speak decent Spanish. It's mind boggling to me sometimes how the two communities exist in nearly the same space but don't often overlap. I remember one time I went into a restaurant and they engaged with me in Spanish right off the bat, we never switched to English, I got a table to dine-in and they waited on me and it felt pretty much like dining at a restaurant like in travels I've had in central America... A few months later I brought a friend to the same place and I ended up getting a 100% gringo restaurant experience. Another place down the street and the cashier is like some very pale upper midwest looking hipstery guy who looks "whiter than me", and it felt like a totally different world, one that didn't overlap at all with description above.

loxias 2y ago
Just offering another point of data, your observation of the "same space with no overlap" and the anecdote about the restaurant hits so true for me! Almost the exactly same thing happened to me, Spanish nearly the whole time. Later, with a coworker, 100% gringo experience. Hilarious! The alternation between places like this as you walk up 24th always struck me as notable. This couldn't have been later than 2011, at which time the zeitgeist was replete with jabs at the ongoing gentrification. :)
- bigiain 2y ago
  Had to re read that last sentence several times, initially assuming you were talking about the biker/dive bar down on Valencia and Duboce.
  - worstspotgain 2y ago
    That's funny, I was heading uptown the other day, sipping on an elixir and thinking about shaving another kilowatt off my bill, when some casanova got out of a phone booth and asked me for directions to the daytona 500 club or some other make out room. I lolo'd out loud and docs clocked him in the teeth. Pretty sure he had to change his napper tandy after that.

pugworthy 2y ago

I'm not a Bay Area person, but was visiting a few months ago and got a new tattoo at Rose & Thorn right off the 16th BART station. Took a walk around waiting for the appointment and it's crazy how fast the vibe changes from block to block.