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There is no claim anywhere that the entire product is open source. This is made up hyperbol. On the vscode landing page they say. "built on open source" with a

There is no claim anywhere that the entire product is open source. This is made up hyperbol. On the vscode landing page they say. "built on open source" with a link to where you can clearly read the license. The ONLY thing that is important is the licence. This clarifies that parts of the product are not open source. At this point you can either use the product or not use the product. But as YOU didn't build it or pay for it you have no place to complain. This is the same sense of entitlement that causes people to harass open source maintainers to fix a bug or implement some feature. People want everything for free and are outraged when they find that the world is not so. Yes it is convenient to go to the package manager and find just what you were looking for without having to do any work or commit any contribution but this is a privilege and not a right. It's amazing that any open source exists at all and where it exists we should say thankyou and where it doesn't either button up and pay or build it yourself.

egeozcan 2y ago
Vast majority of software we use are based on open-source. I'd argue that stating "built on open source" is sort of paltering. > But as YOU didn't build it or pay for it you have no place to complain. I disagree with this point. You're conflating legitimate criticism or discussion about the model (which many have differing opinions on) with the harassment of open-source maintainers - something I strongly oppose as well. Could it be that past negative experiences have made you overly defensive? If so, I understand, but I believe it's a bit misplaced in this context.
- injidup 2y ago
  They don't just state "built on open source" as an obscure deceptive slogan. They clarify quite clearly what it means. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_what-does-built-on-open-source-mean https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_what-does... This clarification has been there since at least 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200531093348/https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_licensing https://web.archive.org/web/20200531093348/https://code.visu... And slighting different wording but also clear has been there earlier. You may not like the non open source license but it is not deceptive. It clearly states what it is.
  - patates 2y ago
    Why use such a slogan at all, if you need to explain what you mean elsewhere? It's sketchy.
    - injidup 2y ago
      The slogan is true and useful to know. If I don't know anything about VScode and I land on the page and I see that it's built on open source I would find that interesting. If I was a reasonable person the first thing I would do is then read further and find out more about the project. I would find that most of the code is released under MIT and that the release build from microsoft has other proprietary modules attached. I could then delve deeper and make a rational decision as to whether this tool is suitable for my project or business. The first thing I would NOT do is get on hacker news and bitch about how the project is being deceptive and evil. That is just lazy and entitled thinking.

egeozcan 2y ago

Vast majority of software we use are based on open-source. I'd argue that stating "built on open source" is sort of paltering. > But as YOU didn't build it or pay for it you have no place to complain. I disagree with this point. You're conflating legitimate criticism or discussion about the model (which many have differing opinions on) with the harassment of open-source maintainers - something I strongly oppose as well. Could it be that past negative experiences have made you overly defensive? If so, I understand, but I believe it's a bit misplaced in this context.

injidup 2y ago
They don't just state "built on open source" as an obscure deceptive slogan. They clarify quite clearly what it means. https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_what-does-built-on-open-source-mean https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_what-does... This clarification has been there since at least 2020 https://web.archive.org/web/20200531093348/https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/supporting/faq#_licensing https://web.archive.org/web/20200531093348/https://code.visu... And slighting different wording but also clear has been there earlier. You may not like the non open source license but it is not deceptive. It clearly states what it is.
- patates 2y ago
  Why use such a slogan at all, if you need to explain what you mean elsewhere? It's sketchy.
  - injidup 2y ago
    The slogan is true and useful to know. If I don't know anything about VScode and I land on the page and I see that it's built on open source I would find that interesting. If I was a reasonable person the first thing I would do is then read further and find out more about the project. I would find that most of the code is released under MIT and that the release build from microsoft has other proprietary modules attached. I could then delve deeper and make a rational decision as to whether this tool is suitable for my project or business. The first thing I would NOT do is get on hacker news and bitch about how the project is being deceptive and evil. That is just lazy and entitled thinking.