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> Unless it's used to cross-subsidize the military nuclear industry it just isnt worth it. I feel sure Ontario does not have nuclear weapons ambitions. > If y

> Unless it's used to cross-subsidize the military nuclear industry it just isnt worth it. I feel sure Ontario does not have nuclear weapons ambitions. > If you round trip solar and wind via hydrogen Do you have any examples of this at commercial scale (hundreds of MW) and their costings?

pydry 2y ago
>I feel sure Ontario does not have nuclear weapons ambitions. Canada actually used to be a nuclear power until 1984. Since then it has signed up to the NPT and disavowing weapons but maintaining a nuclear industry that would let it spin up a nuclear weapons program in a hurry should it deem it necessary (i.e. if the American nuclear umbrella faltered). There are several countries around the world that follow a similar policy - Japan, South Korea, Sweden, Iran. There's value to belonging to the NPT but there's also value to being able to get a nuke in months if an existential crisis presented itself (as it has for Iran). >Do you have any examples of this at commercial scale (hundreds of MW) and their costings? Google for lazard LCOE.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > Canada actually used to be a nuclear power until 1984. No, it wasn't, except in the sense that Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands, Germany, and Turkey are nuclear powers today. It was a participant in a nuclear sharing agreements (under the auspices of NORAD, rather than NATO like the other countries) where US-owned and controlled weapons were deployed at Canadian bases, under control of the US military, with plans for transferring them for delivery by Canadian forces in the event of war. It never had its own nuclear weapons or, AFAIK, nuclear weapons program
- chickenbig 2y ago
  > Google for lazard LCOE. I guess LCOH is a more relevant search term. https://www.lazard.com/media/2ozoovyg/lazards-lcoeplus-april-2023.pdf https://www.lazard.com/media/2ozoovyg/lazards-lcoeplus-april... Page 28 is informative. 220-235 USD/kWh for a 25% blend of unsubsidised PEM hydrogen, or 210-221 USD/kWh a 25% blend for unsubsidised alkaline hydrogen.

pydry 2y ago

>I feel sure Ontario does not have nuclear weapons ambitions. Canada actually used to be a nuclear power until 1984. Since then it has signed up to the NPT and disavowing weapons but maintaining a nuclear industry that would let it spin up a nuclear weapons program in a hurry should it deem it necessary (i.e. if the American nuclear umbrella faltered). There are several countries around the world that follow a similar policy - Japan, South Korea, Sweden, Iran. There's value to belonging to the NPT but there's also value to being able to get a nuke in months if an existential crisis presented itself (as it has for Iran). >Do you have any examples of this at commercial scale (hundreds of MW) and their costings? Google for lazard LCOE.

dragonwriter 2y ago
> Canada actually used to be a nuclear power until 1984. No, it wasn't, except in the sense that Belgium, Italy, the Netherlands, Germany, and Turkey are nuclear powers today. It was a participant in a nuclear sharing agreements (under the auspices of NORAD, rather than NATO like the other countries) where US-owned and controlled weapons were deployed at Canadian bases, under control of the US military, with plans for transferring them for delivery by Canadian forces in the event of war. It never had its own nuclear weapons or, AFAIK, nuclear weapons program
chickenbig 2y ago
> Google for lazard LCOE. I guess LCOH is a more relevant search term. https://www.lazard.com/media/2ozoovyg/lazards-lcoeplus-april-2023.pdf https://www.lazard.com/media/2ozoovyg/lazards-lcoeplus-april... Page 28 is informative. 220-235 USD/kWh for a 25% blend of unsubsidised PEM hydrogen, or 210-221 USD/kWh a 25% blend for unsubsidised alkaline hydrogen.