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>> I don't think wealthy families send their kids to any of these private schools with a view to jobs at LocMart, Boeing, or Argonne. > You're underestimating
by OldGuyInTheClub 2y ago
>> I don't think wealthy families send their kids to any of these private schools with a view to jobs at LocMart, Boeing, or Argonne.
> You're underestimating rich people (or maybe the rich people I know have a tech bias, given that we all work in the tech industry).
I didn't think the HN community considers big aerospace (and I work in one of them!) to be tech in the sense of startups on the one side and FAANG on the other. Some have even said as much. Yes, my shop hires from UCLA and USC, slightly less from Caltech in recent years but the promotions go predominantly to USC people. Can't be because of technical or managerial quality, either.
I must have been at Berkeley and then Stanford (grad school) during downturns. I finished up the latter in 1990 before the dotcom boom changed everything and apparently the former has grown in reputation although along different axes as well.
When I was an undergrad, Berkeley's powerhouse rep. in the physical sciences and elsewhere were good for instruction and research opportunities. Lots of Type A profs didn't like to be bad at anything so they taught well or at least tried hard at it. Research opportunities speak for themselves since the labs were well equipped with hardware and people and LBL was nearby. Helped me get into grad schools and with a nice external fellowship to pay for it but from the late 1990s on, that background has never helped in job searches or advancement.
Edit: I should also note that Berkeley may be placing people in the SF Bay Area (your post) but that the Ivies/MIT/Stanford have name recognition and influence far beyond their regions.
- alephnerd 2y ago> I didn't think the HN community considers big aerospace (and I work in one of them!) to be tech in the sense of startups on the one side and FAANG on the other Depends person to person, but I strongly believe Aerospace is tech as well, and the overlap between Aerospace, EE, CE, and CS is massive. Most of my peers would agree as well, and one of HN's most prolific poster JumpCrisscross is a significant investor in Aerospace. > the promotions go predominantly to USC people. Can't be because of technical or managerial quality, either Yea, the Trojan network is very strong. The only other similar cliques I can think of are UT Austin, the Claremont Colleges, and the BIG10. > I finished up the latter in 1990 before the dotcom boom changed everything and apparently the former has grown in reputation although along different axes as well I'm curious how much of an impact the Nixon and Reagan era culture wars at UC Berkeley had in that perception back then. I wasn't around so I'd love to hear your thoughts. > Berkeley may be placing people in the SF Bay Area (your post) but that the Ivies/MIT/Stanford have name recognition and influence far beyond their regions In the West Coast (Dallas westward imo), I haven't noticed a significant leg up as an Ivy compared to other similar programs. If I attended USC or Stanford I think I'd have a much stronger network in the West.